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Woodworkers Discuss Design and Prototyping: Woodchat Transcript January 25th, 2012

Woodworkers discussed design and prototyping from sketching or drafting with paper and pencil, utilizing free tools like Google Sketchup or professional CAD programs like TurboCAD. We also discussed building foam prototypes like Rob Bois has done.

Woodchat Transcript January 25th, 2012 6pm Pacific/9pm Eastern

@tomrbnsnfrnture: I am about to do some Extreme Laminating. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: RT @uppercutwood: #woodchat tonight 6pm/9pm “Learning Design and Prototyping to Increase Confidence and Success” for Wednesday watch this http://t.co/z2Ef3n14

@McPhersonDoug: @uppercutwood ok- I’m new. how do I join in on #woodchat?

@DJOfurnituremkr: What is tonight’s topic? #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @djofurnituremkr Was wondering the same about #woodchat. I actually get to join in tonight!

@thewoodninja: @SMeekWoodworks @djofurnituremkr “Learning Design and Prototyping to Increase Confidence and Success” #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: RT @uppercutwood #woodchat s topic “Learning Design and Prototyping to Increase Confidence and Success” for Wednesday

@MansFineFurn: @McPhersonDoug go to tweetchat, enter the hashing #woodchat, sign in with Twitter name, chat! Welcome to the group, c ya at 9est

@wintersedge: First night in woodchat. Looking forward to this and it should be quite interesting. #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks: I’ll be partaking in #Woodchat in 10 minutes time. All are welcome! (I’ll be posting as @ChrisHasFlair)

@uppercutwood: @McPhersonDoug I look forward to you joining #woodchat

@uppercutwood: 10 minutes to woodchat “Learning Design and Prototyping to Increase Confidence and Success” #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks: RT @uppercutwood: 10 minutes to woodchat “Learning Design and Prototyping to Increase Confidence and Success” #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: RT @uppercutwood: 10 minutes to woodchat “Learning Design and Prototyping to Increase Confidence and Success” #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @SMeekWoodworks Good to “see” you again, Scott! #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: Looking forward to tonight’s #woodchat #woodchat

@WoodworkGuy: I am looking forward for #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @SMeekWoodworks How’s the new job at GPD going? #woodchat

@superdav721: Hello everyone #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @superdav721 welcome! #woodchat

@McPhersonDoug: Hello. I’ll play the “new guy” role. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: To see a great video about using prototypes to work out the details, check this out from @theboisshop http://t.co/z2Ef3n14 #woodchat

@McPhersonDoug: I already did my homework. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @McPhersonDoug hey Doug! glad you could jump in! #woodchat

@theboisshop: @uppercutwood Thanks for the props. Oh, and I’m home in time for #woodchat!

@McPhersonDoug: @uppercutwood thanks for the invite and for complimenting my work/website yesterday. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @theboisshop That’s fantastic, since I wanted you to contribute to the prototype discussion, pink foam guy! #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @McPhersonDoug no problem, it’s great stuff #woodchat

@uppercutwood: I’m also hanging out, with extras apparently. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: 6 o’clock boys! #woodchat

@uppercutwood: oh, and I have chew in. #dontbeoffended #woodchat

@WoodworkGuy: Hello all #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @ChrisHasFlair Chris! good to see you brohamich! #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: hey all #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: How did I earn that name? RT @uppercutwood: @ChrisHasFlair Chris! good to see you brohamich! #woodchat

@thewoodninja: Good evening woodchatters! Looking forward to this one. #woodchat

@Tumblewood: I may make it in at the end. I’ve got Tweetchat open #woodchat

@UserOfWood: i use cardboard sometimes.it’s quick and cheap https://t.co/WOZDkRdP #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Welcome everyone! Ready to get rolling? #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: Woodchat’ll never let me down, unlike my twice canceled book club. Evening guys! #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: When I make prototypes, I try to make parts removable. For example, I use lots of screws and little glue. #woodchat

@WoodworkGuy: Yes , indeed. #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: Lets do eet #woodchat

@woodshaver101: Hi all, whats the topic #woodchat

@superdav721: Yes please #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: If the first one I make turns out bad I call it a prototype. otherwise I call it done. #woodchat

@imaginer99: I do lots and lots of scribbling on my whiteboard and scraps of paper. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @woodshaver101 Learning Design and Prototyping to Increase Confidence and Success #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Topic tonight: Learning Design and Prototyping to Increase Confidence and Success #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: I’ll just throw this out: anyone see @renaissanceww post today postulating that designing (plans) aren’t necessary? (simplified) #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: Going to try doing the hangout and be here at the same time. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: Well played! RT @benjamenjohnson: If the first one I make turns out bad I call it a prototype. otherwise I call it done. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: First to learn elements of design, George Walker is a good place to start. http://t.co/8sSiQDWl #woodchat

@thewoodninja: @benjamenjohnson I like that philosophy a lot! #woodchat

@JimAAshley: Evening all. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn I saw that over on G+. #woodchat

@superdav721: @MansFineFurn yes I did #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @MansFineFurn Saw that and posted a comment to send people here #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @MansFineFurn I put in my two cents worth. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: Designing is necessary. You can do without plans. #woodchat

@imaginer99: RT @thewoodninja: @benjamenjohnson I like that philosophy a lot! #woodchat

@woodshaver101: some of my best design ideas start with the classics,golden rectangles and the golden mean #woodchat

@UserOfWood: @uppercutwood i’d really like to take a class from George. he’s teaching one close to me, just need to see if the time works. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: Looks like he was getting a jump start on our conversation. #woodchat

@superdav721: @woodshaver101 agreed #woodchat

@thewoodninja: In 14 years, every one of my designs started with a function in mind. #woodchat

@dividedlight: Multitasking but I’m here tonight. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: I think for complex pieces prototypes are great to figure out the curves and crazy details. #woodchat

@McPhersonDoug: I generally take @benjaminjohnson approach after some drawings. Also make changes throughout the build. #woodchat

@celamens: @uppercutwood I’m here! May be short though. #Woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @woodshaver101 I don’t worry about golden ratios when designing. I just trust my eye. By checking afterwards I know I get close. #woodchat

@Wood_Jedi: Hello my fellow woodchatters #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: On Shannon’s post, If I can’t figure out 90% of the project just from the pictures people post, I figure I shouldn’t be making it. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @McPhersonDoug That’s an iterative way #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: @uppercutwood I agree. Tough to get the feel for a piece sometimes w/o a full scale. #woodchat

@superdav721: @ChrisHasFlair Your eye usually will bring you to the ratio #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: I like to use SketchUp. Only downside is you can lose perspective of the actual size of the piece. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @McPhersonDoug I’m not sure I’ve ever built something without making at least one change along the way. #woodchat

@McPhersonDoug: Not proud of either of my habits. Just sayin’ #woodchat

@Wood_Jedi: @ChrisHasFlair I use the Golden ratio often in my cabinet and box making

@when I need a simple design #woodchat

@woodshaver101: any one ever read the Chippendale directer.or the Victorian cabinet makers assistant #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @McPhersonDoug You just @replied the wrong guy.. check the spelling :>) #woodchat

@woodshaver101: @ChrisHasFlair I aggree its just a starting point #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: No. Have you? Recommended? RT @woodshaver101: any one ever read the Chippendale directer.or the Victorian cabinet makers assistant #woodchat

@celamens: Can someone fill me in on golden ratio? #Woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @benjamenjohnson Poor Benjamin 🙂 @McPhersonDoug #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: I like Sketchup, but I’d rather be working on something than drawing. If it was something that needed mass production it’s great. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @celamens The golden ratio is a naturally occurring ratio that is pleasing to the eye. 1:1.6, I believe. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Part of your reliance on design, plan, and prototype depends on who you are, where you are in your skills, and what you’ve built. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @celamens http://t.co/Df6s4cMO #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @ChrisHasFlair 1:1.618 to be precise #woodchat

@WoodworkGuy: I am working on learning sketchup #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: All mine are steel 🙂 RT @WatkinsWoodWork: anyone make a golden rule to aid them in the design process? #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @uppercutwood Also what you make. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: Sorry I’m so quiet, was trying to find a TedTalks video about 3d printers. Thought it would fit for prototyping. #woodchat

@celamens: @uppercutwood Thanks! Will be reading that later. #Woodchat

@superdav721: @ChrisHasFlair i draw something out then apply my Fibonacci gauge to see how it worked out #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: I’m a Sketchup fan myself, but I can only handle sitting in front of it for so long. I’ve actually been drawing cabs all day on it #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: On the golden rule I just learned a cool fact, it is related to the Fibonacci sequence. Ain’t math great! #woodchat

@woodshaver101: @celamens http://t.co/Jkw9FxMl this little video explained it well #woodchat

@UserOfWood: @ramblinrdesigns i like sketchup too, but sometime proportions can get skewed. that’s where the mock-up comes in #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn 1.6180339887498948482 to be preciser! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: This book has some helpful tips. http://t.co/ZS0PYdcT #woodchat

@Torch02: @SMeekWoodworks I heard @uppercutwood is waiting to get trained on a 3D printer at work #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @SMeekWoodworks Why don’t you find and post the video later? I don’t think anybody has time to watch it now during #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: @superdav721 Did u make or buy your gauge? I’ve been thinking of either building one or buying it but haven’t done so yet #woodchat

@Torch02: @ChrisHasFlair @MansFineFurn Just use 8:5 as “good enough” for the #GoldenRule #woodchat

@superdav721: @benjamenjohnson Walt Disney did 3 shows on the Fibonacci ratio that is great its on youtube. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @ChrisHasFlair Good point. 🙂 #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @WatkinsWoodWork You can buy Phi rules from Lee Valley. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: Speaking of GoldenRatio,I don’t think the new toolbox I’m building has the right proportions, I bet it isn’t even close to the GR. #woodchat

@superdav721: @WatkinsWoodWork made it out of walnut. I have 3 of them at different scales. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @Torch02 and a laser printer too. Get to use them for free. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @superdav721 Donald duck in Mathemagic land? #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom: @ChrisHasFlair @MansFineFurn You have tools that can make stuff to 19 decimal places? How much do those cost?? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: Excellent thanks for the lead RT @ChrisHasFlair: @WatkinsWoodWork You can buy Phi rules from Lee Valley. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @uppercutwood I mean laser engraver/cutter #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: My design process starts with my sketchbook I carry with me at all times. I love hand sketching, when I take the time to do it. #woodchat

@superdav721: @benjamenjohnson you got it its great. Even the grandson liked it. He is 2 #woodchat

@imaginer99: @benjamenjohnson That’s the best one! #woodchat

@woodshaver101: I use e cabinet systems ,and a sketch pad #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @BobbyHagstrom I only use 2 decimal placed. My last piece was 100000000000000000.00mm x 161803398874989484.82mm. Just kidding. #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom: Golden ratios or other mathematical concepts like fractal geometry can be a good “check” on a design to tweak dimensions. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: i need to get better at hand sketches suggestions? #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: Woodworking for Mere Mortals build a Phi “rule” Check that out http://t.co/Gh4ttzPH #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @WatkinsWoodWork Full disclosure, I work part-time at Lee Valley. #woodchat

@WoodworkGuy: LV… Great place! #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn Practice. And don’t use a pencil so you’re not tempted to erase. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @ChrisHasFlair Oooh, Oooh, Oooh, do you get to play with all the neat tools? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: Touché. U deserve a raise. RT @ChrisHasFlair: @WatkinsWoodWork Full disclosure, I work part-time at Lee Valley. #woodchat

@imaginer99: @MansFineFurn Just sketch what are you are thinking about. specifics at first #woodchat

@superdav721: I work with software all day. When sketching i use good old graph paper. #woodchat

@McPhersonDoug: Finewoodworking had a great article on how to sketch several months back. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: A little off topic, but how do you shorten URLs in TweetChat? #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @benjamenjohnson You bet! I was demoing Festools last week for three days. #woodchat

@wintersedge: I would be curious to see how many commercial woodworkers have moved to CNC in some aspect of their product builds. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @WatkinsWoodWork Please tell my boss 🙂 #woodchat

@woodshaver101: real cabinet makers us a napkin and a lumber crayon #woodchat

@Wood_Jedi: Has anyone tried the new cutting board design software @MeremortalsWW was showing in his last project video? #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @MansFineFurn Just keep drawing. A lot. #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: I truly prefer to do a rough sketch and work by the seat of my pants. Tried sketchup but found it cumbersome. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: As much as I make fun of sketching I use the green engineering paper to do a rough sketch to figure out how much material I need. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Recommened book to get great at sketching http://t.co/OeJMjjgq #woodchat

@McPhersonDoug: Trying to think of the author….Legendary Canadian woodworker #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom: For some reason, I like to sketch designs using only a red pen on white paper. #woodchat

@dividedlight: I am still drafting on an antique wooden table. lol #woodchat

@superdav721: @woodshaver101 And toilet paper. Its the only room I am left alone in to think. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: When sketching, I use pen so I can’t erase. Then I look at all my sketches and see not only what I like but what I don’t. #woodchat

@woodshaver101: @wintersedge not many, i think cnc tends to slow things down #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @ChrisHasFlair Sweet, I’m jealous, but do you ever buy any of the tools? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: It’s your inner accountant RT @BobbyHagstrom: For some reason, I like to sketch designs using only a red pen on white paper. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @Wood_Jedi Cutting board design software? Seriously? #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @wintersedge We get a lot of our router templates and jig parts made in CNC. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @superdav721 Real men use sandpaper. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @ChrisHasFlair Do you X out the designs you don’t like? #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: Me too. MT @WatkinsWoodWork: I prefer to do a sketch and work by the seat of my pants. Tried sketchup but found it cumbersome. #woodchat

@woodshaver101: @superdav721 LOL. good one #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: Chris Wong? Michael Fortune? RT @McPhersonDoug: Trying to think of the author….Legendary Canadian woodworker #woodchat

@superdav721: @benjamenjohnson I cant draw on sandpaper. I can erase with it. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: So, are you sketching or drafting? What do you consider the difference? #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @ChrisHasFlair Why do you use pen? If I couldn’t erase, I’d soon give up. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @WatkinsWoodWork As with anything, practice makes it work better for you. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: Of course. RT @benjamenjohnson: @ChrisHasFlair Sweet, Im jealous, but do you ever buy any of the tools? #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: No. I know by looking. RT @uppercutwood: @ChrisHasFlair Do you X out the designs you dont like? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: I do quite a bit of small work/boxes etc and my clientel is great in letting me just work it out as the piece progresses #woodchat

@superdav721: Sketching to me lets me change the idea. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Phil Lowe recommends making full size drawings to build from http://t.co/AU3onrj1 #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: There are two sides for a reason. RT @superdav721: @benjamenjohnson I cant draw on sandpaper. I can erase with it. #woodchat

@woodshaver101: @uppercutwood sketching or cad drawing take about the same time,its being able to change things that cad has the advantage #woodchat

@dividedlight: @uppercutwood Sketching is freehand and drafting is to scale. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: Paper is cheap. RT @benjamenjohnson: @ChrisHasFlair Why do you use pen? If I couldnt erase, Id soon give up. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @woodshaver101 Not for me. Sketching is much faster and easier to make changes with. #woodchat

@McPhersonDoug: @ChrisHasFlair Michael Fortune #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: SketchUp helps me visualize joinery issues and create actual working dimensions. It gets easier the more you use it. #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: I would agree RT @dividedlight: @uppercutwood Sketching is freehand and drafting is to scale. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: We’re halfway over, any questions/topics you’d like to share or ask about? #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: RT @dividedlight: @uppercutwood Sketching is freehand and drafting is to scale. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Twitter is choking #woodchat

@superdav721: @dividedlight I use graft paper to sketch with so it keeps me in a proper scale. It helps my eye. #woodchat

@WoodworkGuy: I like doodle/sketch to start with , then move to measured drawing #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: The job I am working on right now was sold to the client via a SketchUp rendering. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: Breaking news: #woodchat killed Twitter. 🙂 #woodchat

@McPhersonDoug: the better you are at sketching, the closer you should be to drafting then, correct? #woodchat

@Wood_Jedi: @Chrishasflair Yes Seriously #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: CAD is more useful there. RT @ramblinrdesigns: The job I am working on right now was sold to the client via a SketchUp rendering. #woodchat

@superdav721: I like prototypes for designing my jigs. And if the final project is an exotic. I would rather practice on a secondary wood. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @ramblinrdesigns For speculative work, that benefit doesn’t apply. #woodchat

@superdav721: @ChrisHasFlair what happened? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: I made a mini prototype once. It was fun and helped me to see the size ratios.

@Barbie would have loved it. #woodchat”

@benjamenjohnson: @ramblinrdesigns I suppose that’s one reason to sit down and really learn SketchUp. I never thought of it like that. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: #woodchat We’re halfway over, any questions/topics you’d like to share or ask about?

@woodshaver101: @ChrisHasFlair I agree.everytime i show a job on my laptop,its a sold job #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @superdav721 I was getting messages saying “Twitter is overloaded” and “Twitter is down”. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Customers do like renderings before making the project deposit. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @superdav721 Good point about prototypes. Using cheaper wood to perfect it before you use exotics. #woodchat

@Bowtech_10: i like sketchup but i am better with acad in 2D #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @ChrisHasFlair The CAD programs I’ve seen are pricey. Plus, another learning curve to master is daunting. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @woodshaver101 How many hours do you put into the Sketchup model? Do you charge for designing? #woodchat

@Wood_Jedi: Just got a plan for a 17th century Pennsylvania Spice Cabinet I will be redrawing it in Sketch up before the build.. #woodchat

@superdav721: @benjamenjohnson To me the prototype is my scetchup. It is the way I debug the project. To scale. #woodchat

@woodshaver101: @uppercutwood ,yes they do ,its more professional. image and presentation is important #woodchat

@uppercutwood: I think the takeaway for me is, it’s important to sketch for concepts and inspiraion. Whether or not you make plans is up to you. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @superdav721 I don’t think a rendering is as good as a physical prototype. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: I tend to plan just enough to feel confident about the build, and plan the hardest joinery, and then go forward. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @ChrisHasFlair I eat the time I spend creating the SketchUp model, but it also gets my mind into the project and helps me focus. #woodchat

@woodshaver101: @ChrisHasFlair around 4 to 6 hours to draw a custom kitchen,I charge,if they want the drawings without signing a contract #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @ChrisHasFlair it is usually cheaper though. Do you prototype? #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @uppercutwood Agreed #woodchat

@superdav721: @ChrisHasFlair Agreed very much so. #woodchat

@Bowtech_10: @uppercutwood this is what i usually do too #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @ramblinrdesigns I like Alibre Design as an inexpensive CAD program. #woodchat

@OnBlank: @WatkinsWoodWork #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @ramblinrdesigns And if the job doesn’t happen? #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @woodshaver101 That’s a good plan. #woodchat

@superdav721: @BillGriggs good evening. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @BillGriggs Thanks. I’ll have a look. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @uppercutwood When I am developing a new piece of furniture I do prototype. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @ramblinrdesigns ditto I do the sketchups for free to (usually) if the customer is serious. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: Furniture, especially chairs, are much more interactive than cabinets and I can’t get a feel of ergonomics through a rendering. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @ChrisHasFlair Haven’t had that happen yet. Every design proposal I’ve created so far has turned into a job. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @uppercutwood same here, though one of my resolutions for the year is to be more regimented about making and saving designs #woodchat”

@ChrisHasFlair: The same goes to strength – what joinery is adequate, how thick does a certain part NEED to be… #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom: I sketch w/ red pen for concepts, the work out difficult dimensions/ joinery angles in cad, since I have an engineering background.#woodchat

@BillGriggs: @ramblinrdesigns I have a discount code if you want it. Send me a direct message. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @ramblinrdesigns Wow. That’s great. I hope that continues for you! #woodchat

@Bowtech_10: i make sure there serious and then design for free the design helps me more than them. that way i go in the right direction #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @ChrisHasFlair Prototyping joinery is definitely a good idea. #woodchat

@woodshaver101: @ChrisHasFlair when you present a job and dont be afraid to ask to be paid,for your time,I include it if a contract is signed #woodchat

@BillGriggs: I just got a good offer on a Festool Domino. Are they worth it? #woodchat

@dividedlight: @benjamenjohnson I will prototype difficult joints with cheap wood to ensure my settings. Entry door mid-rails can be very tricky. #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom: I’ve used graph paper/pen for simple stuff & it works fine. 3D renderings do help sell stuff; I just lack practice in Sketchup. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @BillGriggs I would but I don’t know how to send a direct message. Help please. #woodchat

@woodshaver101: @BillGriggs there nice #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @SMeekWoodworks “Oops. I guess butt joints aren’t strong enough for a chair!” 😀 Does anyone have a CAD that will tell you that? #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @BillGriggs It depends on if you will use it. I like mine and I think it’s worth it. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @BillGriggs i prefer my Jet Floor Stand Mortiser #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @ChrisHasFlair lol #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @BillGriggs YES! #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @BillGriggs YES! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @BillGriggs Heard lots of good things about the domino even tho I don’t own one. #woodchat

@superdav721: @ChrisHasFlair My butt joints to my chair just fine.. sorry couldn’t help it. #woodchat

@Tumblewood: Hey guys…sorry I couldn’t chat tonight. #woodchat

@Bowtech_10: @superdav721 lol #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @superdav721 Do you use Superglue? (I couldn’t resist either!) #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @ramblinrdesigns The @FestoolUSA Domino is an awesome machine. #woodchat

@superdav721: @ChrisHasFlair depends 😉 #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @BillGriggs I know my dad who has built custom cabinetry for about as long as I’ve been alive says they are worth every penny. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @ChrisHasFlair Yes, I do in fact have CAD that will tell me that! #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @ramblinrdesigns send it through Twitter #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn No you don’t. Really? Really?! Do you trust it? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: What is the general opinion about using pocket screw joinery for parts of a high end design? #woodchat

@BillGriggs: RT @ChrisHasFlair: @ramblinrdesigns The @FestoolUSA Domino is an awesome machine. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @MansFineFurn What, do you model in Pro/E with Finite Element Analysis? #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @uppercutwood Why do you prefer it? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @ChrisHasFlair Yes, totally. (Do you trust airplane designs?) If one were to design, say a minimalist ash chair and… (cont) #woodchat

@superdav721: @ramblinrdesigns I cant do it. I dont know why. But I just cant. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @ramblinrdesigns High-end design is different than high-end craftsmanship. With high-end design, anything goes. ANYTHING. #woodchat

@woodshaver101: @ramblinrdesigns I like them for face frame joinery only, #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @BillGriggs I like the integral tendon, not the floating #woodchat

@BillGriggs: RT @SMeekWoodworks: @BillGriggs YES! #woodchat

@Bowtech_10: @ramblinrdesigns will for kitchen cabinets but not high end furniture #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @ramblinrdesigns I’d have no problem with it as long as it was completely hidden, but then again I’m not a paying customer. #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: @ramblinrdesigns Depends on where the pockets are on the piece #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @ChrisHasFlair ..want to know how big a butt it can handle (safety margin), I can do it. @benjamenjohnson Solidworks #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom: @benjamenjohnson @MansFineFurn Don’t tempt me to do FEA on my design! I have a whole book on stress analysis for doug fir… #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: haven’t had an opportunity for FEA on woodwork yet, but there’s always the first time! (ahem…minimalist ash chairs, for example) #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn You must have input for variables like material type, elasticity, glue, amount of stress applied, where, angle.. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @WatkinsWoodWork Mostly just face frame joinery. Completely hidden. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn Are you saying you have the software or a big butt? 😉 #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @ChrisHasFlair yes, boundary conditions, material properties… are needed for that, but I digress. I want to design more like you #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn What is this ash chair you speak of? Tell me more! 😀 #woodchat

@superdav721: Good night all. Blessings and Peace. It was fun. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @ChrisHasFlair yes #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: @ramblinrdesigns I’ve done a few pieces with pocket holes but only in areas that they were extremely hidden and inaccessible #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn That’s impressive. Solidworks, you say? Still, I feel more comfortable working in the real world. #woodchat

@woodshaver101: Fibonacci design video i think everyone would enjoy http://t.co/S6UWzVrr #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @ramblinrdesigns We had a bed made semi-custom and they left the pocket holes unplugged on the back of the headboard, not cool. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @celamens glad you could make it #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @superdav721 Goodnight, Dave. Hope nobody’s glued your butt to your chair. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: Goal for 2012: Sketch More, Draft Better, Prototype (aka get over the fear of ‘wasting’ materials on a prototype) and build more #woodchat

@woodshaver101: @benjamenjohnson I agree, pocket screw mania #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @benjamenjohnson Do you make your own dowel plugs for the pocket holes or buy them premade? #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn Probably the best thing that happened for me was getting a glut of wood, more than I know what to do with. #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: I make my own. RT @BillGriggs: @benjamenjohnson Do you make your own dowel plugs for the pocket holes or buy them premade? #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @ChrisHasFlair Jealous #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @MansFineFurn Yeah, I have a cheap streak, I’m always afraid to waste good wood. I need to work on that too. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @ChrisHasFlair I’ve got that too, hasn’t seemed to do it for me yet (frugal yankee that I am) I’ll get there, with your help #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: If I may ask, what did each of you have for dinner? I need some inspiration. (No Sketchup drawings, please!) #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Haven’t had dinner yet. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @SMeekWoodworks If you lived closer, I’d be trying to pawn some of it off on you. #woodchat

@woodshaver101: well Im out good night all GOD BLESS #woodchat

@hellobearrabbit: Just wanted to say hello to all my fellow woodworkers! #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @SMeekWoodworks Forgot to tell you, I’m sending your wood Friday, I didn’t mark which was which, so I’m sending them all, enjoy! #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @BillGriggs I’ve only used pocket joinery on stuff for the shop, so I don’t plug. But I know it’s a good strong joint #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @ChrisHasFlair Ramen. I didn’t want to be late for woodchat so I ate it while I chatted. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @ChrisHasFlair Buffalo Chicken Salad #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn That sounds good! I don’t think we have any lettuce though… #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @theboisshop Hope Whitney was worth it! #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: Same here. RT @benjamenjohnson: @BillGriggs Ive only used pocket joinery on stuff for the shop, so I dont plug. #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @benjamenjohnson I used a Kreg Jig to make pocket holes for my shop cabinets. Very strong. I’ll post a picture on my blog. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @BillGriggs when I plug straight holes, I have a set of plug cutters that I use to make matching plugs…sometimes it even works! #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @ChrisHasFlair spinach? Arugula? Dandelion? wood shavings? #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @MansFineFurn Awesome! Looking forward to it. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @MansFineFurn @theboisshop had to leave to watch America’s Worst SitCom. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @hellobearrabbit Hello. Afraid you missed tonight’s chat. We’re all done. #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom: I used pocket joinery on my bathroom cabinets; I left them unplugged because they were on the inside below the countertop. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @BillGriggs You could also put a veneer over the holes. That’s what I would do. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @ramblinrdesigns Ooh, I was thinking of that before dinner, I smelled it somewhere, but the kids wanted pizza #woodchat

@hellobearrabbit: @ramblinrdesigns oh well no worries, I figured some people were still trolling the hashtag 🙂 #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @ChrisHasFlair Bummer #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn Hmm. I should have at least ONE of those… #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @hellobearrabbit welcome! #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @hellobearrabbit Hello back at ya. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Even though woodchat is “over” keep it going, we can hang #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: Time to go read to my daughter, goodnight all! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: Now you’re making me hungry. Guess I’ll have to go scare up some real dinner. Until next week. Same time. Same channel. Bye. #woodchat

@hellobearrabbit: @ChrisHasFlair nice! #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @ramblinrdesigns Goodnight! #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @ramblinrdesigns Try the Chili. It’s great. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @ChrisHasFlair If you need other meal ideas, I’ll review the past week’s menu #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork: Catch u boys later. Time to spent some time with the mrs. And get our star trek nerd on… #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn Woodchips and barbeque sauce sounds appetizing. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @MansFineFurn @ChrisHasFlair what should I eat tonight guys? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: This weekend! Splitting a BIG red oak to make 17th c., Follansbee Joint Stools (pre-ordered the book today) http://t.co/dovVAsw3 #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn Sounds fun. #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: So what did we learn tonight? #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom: I had Doritos!! #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @BobbyHagstrom That’s healthy. #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @ChrisHasFlair How to do a stopped Dado. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @ChrisHasFlair I learned I need to learn to draw, and you need a little finite element analysis to temper your “reality” 😉 #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @BillGriggs Hmm. I missed that somehow. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: Alright gents (and any remaining ladies) time for me to quit. Good times! #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: @MansFineFurn Too much reality? #woodchat

@ChrisHasFlair: Okay, I’m being dragged off to get dinner rolling. See you all later. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: OK guys I’m checking out, I’ll get the transcript posted darn soon at http://t.co/RlIo5QTB #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @uppercutwood the tweet report link I sent you last week: if you save the html report of it, and link to that, transcript persists #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @MansFineFurn once you save it they keep it in their cache? Cool #woodchat

@BillGriggs: Good night woodchatters. See you next Wednesday at 9 PM East #woodchat