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Woodworkers Discuss Wood with Shannon Rogers, The Renaissance Woodworker: Woodchat Transcript January 18, 2012

Many thanks to Shannon Rogers of The Renaissance Woodworker, the Hand Tool School and Hardwood To Go for spending over an hour to discuss wood during #woodchat.

Woodchat Transcript January 18, 2012 6pm Pacific/9pm Eastern

@Paul_Sebastian: Some photos of the box I made #box #woodchat http://t.co/tMahl9AZ

@Paul_Sebastian: Some photos of the box I made #box #woodchat http://t.co/LjsP8DZw

@kweinert: I saw this on the Flair Woodworks blog: http://t.co/YR4oLDXR – rarest wood in the world contest. Mirror Maple-elpaM rorriM #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Are you new to #woodchat? Here’s how you get involved http://uppercutwoodworks.com/2011/10/woodchat-wednesdays and http://t.co/RvI4yfOP

@DyamiPlotke: RT @Paul_Sebastian: Some photos of the box I made #box #woodchat http://t.co/tMahl9AZ

@DyamiPlotke: RT @uppercutwood: Are you new to #woodchat? Here’s how you get involved http://uppercutwoodworks.com/2011/10/woodchat-wednesdays and http://t.co/RvI4yfOP

@uppercutwood: 2 1/2 hours until @RenaissanceWW is our guest on #woodchat? Here’s how you get involved bit.ly/sf1yng and bit.ly/9yHARe

@uppercutwood: @MansFineFurn It would also be great to get a list of his favorite “wood knowledge” links #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @MansFineFurn I want to know what woods to avoid for toxicity, workability, responsibility, ecological reasons, etc. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @uppercutwood that calls for a big table, which someone on #woodchat linked to some weeks ago, at least for hazards

@uppercutwood: @MansFineFurn For toxicity, yup. I want to know which woods we should avoid for other reasons (like deforestation) #woodchat

@uppercutwood: In less than an hour we start the awesomeness. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Get your questions together for @RenaissanceWW #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr: I’ve been becoming more involved with using urban woods. There is so much fantastic wood that can be saved from going to landfills #woodchat

@superdav721: Ok guys I am new here. Thanks for the invite. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @Richardsonrd #woodchat http://t.co/RvI4yfOP log in with twitter and jump in!

@uppercutwood: @superdav721 welcome! We’ll get rolling in about 25 minutes. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: I’m here…right place…right time…and actually able to post this time. Yeah.#woodchat

@uppercutwood: @ramblinrdesigns @superdav721 Welcome! About 20 minutes to go time. Got your questions ready? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @uppercutwood Going with the flow tonight. I’m sure Shannon will have lots of great tips to share. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @ramblinrdesigns I already pumped him with questions over email #woodchat

@superdav721: Are these held every Wednesday? #woodchat

@uppercutwood: 10 minutes to go time sign in with your Twitter account here to join in: http://t.co/XjehUYxu #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @superdav721 yes, every Wednesday 6pm pacific 9pm eastern. Check http://uppercutwoodworks.com/2011/10/woodchat-wednesdays and http://t.co/RvI4yfOP #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @dividedlight on your secondary bevel question, ask @RenaissanceWW tonight at 6pm P/9pm E #woodchat

@thewoodninja: @uppercutwood What’s the topic tonight Matt? #woodchat

@Tumblewood: Hey kids….just dug my way to the shop.#woodchat

@Tumblewood: Laney, we have Shannon speaking on wood selection, etc.#woodchat

@uppercutwood: I will also hangout on Google during tonight’s session with @RenaissanceWW #woodchat

@thewoodninja: @Tumblewood How’s the bench coming Vic? #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @Tumblewood Vic! I miss your scent! Good to see you! #woodchat

@Tumblewood: come join the hangout I just sent#woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: Hey Hey Hey! #woodchat

@JimAAshley: evening folks! #woodchat

@Tumblewood: @thewoodninja no shop time this last weekend. This coming I’ll get things moving again. #woodchat

@Tumblewood: @uppercutwood I miss you too, baby!! #woodchat

@Tumblewood: Hey Jim #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: I’ve got a project I need to have turned in for an art contest THIS MONDAY! #woodchat

@Tumblewood: Tommy! #woodchat

@Tumblewood: Evening Shannon #woodchat

@superdav721: Hello and good evening Shannon#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn nice job on the video Nick! Great, simple project! #woodchat

@Tumblewood: @TomsWorkbench I’m glad I’m not on a deadline. No shop time this last week. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @RenaissanceWW Welcome.#woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: @Tumblewood VIC! Yo, how’s the snow? #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: Good evening Shannon and all! #woodchat

@Tumblewood: I have to check that out still #woodchat

@Tumblewood: @TomsWorkbench I just dug it, man. #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: @Tumblewood Total bummer, Vic. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: #woodchat machine just restarted. ugh.

@Tumblewood: Not that bad here. The Eastside of WA knows how to drive and have snow removal #woodchat

@superdav721: @renaissanceWW Shannon would you have any tips for a starting pod caster? #woodchat

@superdav721: @renaissanceWW Shannon would you have any tips for a starting pod caster? #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: @Tumblewood Didn’t think you guys had snow shovels up there! #woodchat

@uppercutwood: OK all, we’re lucky to have Shanon Rogers here from @RenaissanceWW the Renaissance Wood Worker, the Hand Tool School #woodchat

@Tumblewood: @uppercutwood There’s a hangout invite on G+ for ya #woodchat

@uppercutwood: And @mcilvainlumber and http://t.co/6U2yfmDv to share his knowledge with us about wood #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: Yay, Shannon! #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Shannon, why don’t you get started telling us about your Blog and the Hand Tool School #woodchat

@Tumblewood: Not so much here. I grew up in Ellensburg, at the foothills of the Cascades. I love the snow. #woodchat

@ravinheart: Yo! Shannon … @RenaissanceWW #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 sure, just get started. quality of video is secondary to content so just kick it off & share what you are working on #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @uppercutwood thanks Matt (cue best radio announcer voice) #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @RenaissanceWW thanks Shannon! for those that missed it, here’s another link to it: http://t.co/Lr7bsKqK #woodchat

@Tumblewood: I can tell you, HTS is a good investment for me. #woodchat

@Tumblewood: Big Ass Roubo Bench!#woodchat

@uppercutwood: Tonight’s woodchat is going to be more structured and less chaotic, let’s let Shannon do the bulk of the posting #woodchat

@uppercutwood: We’ll do Q&A when his brains are empty :) #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: my blog http://t.co/7udZaNzL is me rambling about my shop adventures. I podcast & write a lot on it, almost all hand tools now #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: @Tumblewood Vic – that thing looks like a brute #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: The Hand Tool School is a premium site I started a year ago that teaches hand tool techniques. Kind of a learn by doing approach #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: Cover a joinery technique then back it up with a small shop project using that technique. Work at your pace in your shop #woodchat

@Tumblewood: @TomsWorkbench Thanks. There’s been a lot of hand work and some of the technique has been improved via Shannon..so I LOVE him.#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: A year ago I left internet marketing firm and became Dir of Marketing for a lumber co so know I live the dream #woodchat

@superdav721: Shannon I have caught most every podcast and watch you migrate to hand tools. Your instruction Is great. #woodchat

@Tumblewood: @TomsWorkbench oh…I love YOU too, man. :oD #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: HTS semester 3 starts in a few weeks and we will be cementing techniques learned in last year with 3 projects #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 crazy to watch the old stuff isn’t it? I was all over the place #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: @Tumblewood Rock on, Brother Vic. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: so anyway, enough self promotion what do you want to know about wood? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: Shannon-I’m a newbie turner. Any heads up on woods that cause trouble from the sawdust? #woodchat

@superdav721: @RenaissanceWW Its still good stuff my favorite is when you showed your face the first time. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns Beth really anything exotic cause skin irritation so breathing is bad 2. Highly resinous woods like Cedar also #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns some don’t react well to walnut, best to always wear a good respirator #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns it is the oils that really cause problems so all that jungle wood is a problem. Don’t worry just prevention #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: Shannon – what wood do you think is the best to work with hand tools? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn Nick had a question about Khaya (African Mahog) vs Honduran (genuine mahog) I think #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @RenaissanceWW I see you wearing one in your vids. Are they uncomfortable? What’s your take on the ventilated systems? Overkill? #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW @MansFineFurn yes he did #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @TomsWorkbench Personally I think Genuine Mahog is at the top but Walnut and Soft Maple are pretty close. Cherry 3rd #woodchat

@BillGriggs: Hello all.#woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr: Air dried Black Walnut works very well with hand tools. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns never used a ventilate system always wanted too. Not uncomfortable, you get used to it #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns no such thing as overkill when it comes to your lungs y’know #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @RenaissanceWW can you sum up the differences in working qualities, physical properties etc? #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: What about the oaks, Shannon. Something to avoid? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: RT @DJOfurnituremkr: Air dried Black Walnut works very well with hand tools.

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn well Khaya is almost 2x harder, interlocking grain makes cool figure but lots of tearout, Gen is opposit no tear out #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke: Hello everyone. Sorry I’m late. #woodchat

@superdav721: @renaissanceww Shannon how about sycamore for carving?#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn Khaya is a conglomerate product and has many species. Some great some awful. The awful gives it a bad rap #woodchat

@JimAAshley: @DyamiPlotke Hi Dyami #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @DyamiPlotke Good to see you buddy #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @DyamiPlotke It’s never too late.#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn look for Khaya ivorensis or senegalensis for the best stuff. Problem is most yards don’t know what they have #woodchat

@dbwolverinefan: Evening all.. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn Khaya can be dealt with by hand with close attention to grain as it will change often. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: is there a visible difference between K.ivorensis and K. senegalensis? grain? color? other? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: khaya photo coming momentarily….standby #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn not really, light pink, ribbon striping in flat and qs. Open pores but not fuzzy #woodchat

@BillGriggs: I spent the day at local State College. They plan to build a CNC Router Table with my advice.#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn the bad khaya will appear fuzzy and have lots of pin knots, also less dense aka wide rings #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Any woods that we should avoid because they are irresponsibily harvested or targeted by customs? http://t.co/m5gJEzlJ #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @jmk89 for most species we work janka is just a comparison #, kinda a good to know thing #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @jmk89 when you get to extremes like balsa, cedar or ipe, lignum then janka is something to watch #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @TomsWorkbench I really like Oak for hand work, it is hard sure but predictable #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: @RenaissanceWW Well, that’s good to know! #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 limited experience with it but it seemed good, sharp tools necessary cause is soft. American anyway #woodchat

@jmk89: @RenaissanceWW Do you reckon you can substitute species based mainly on similar Janka? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 English Sycamore is very similar to Maple #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @jmk89 NO def not. Pore structure, grain pattern, growth area, etc all play into workability. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke: I just ran pull out tests of deckmate screws in Doug Fir Vs. Timberstrand. Guess what, the Timberstrand held better. Up to 700psi #woodchat

@superdav721: @RenaissanceWW I thought there was a big difference between ours and theres #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @jmk89 ie, Hard Maple and Khaya are similar in janka but very differnt to work #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn did I miss anything on Mahoganies Nick? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: great alternatives (cheaper) to genuine mahog are Utile, Sapele, Spanish Cedar #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: Sapele is very dusty and more tearout prone, but Utile is spitting image of gen, just harder #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: Spanish Cedar is awesome but if not dried properly it can weep, carve great #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @RenaissanceWW not as far as I’m concerned! #woodchat

@jmk89: @RenaissanceWW That was my view too – it makes it very hard to translate designs to suit timber availability. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn going to do a video for @hardwoodtogo on a Mahog species rundown soon #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: BTW sorry to Facebook, forgot to unhook twitter from my profile, i’m speaking for #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: What did I miss #woodchat?

@RenaissanceWW: @DyamiPlotke how did you measure the psi rating?#woodchat

@MansFineFurn: #woodchat here’s a bad picture: in progress Khaya frame with fig.maple inlay. Had to scrape like mad…tearout. http://t.co/VichVypq

@uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW You didn’t miss anything. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW Woods that we should avoid becuz they are poorly harvested or targeted by customs? http://t.co/m5gJEzlJ #woodchat #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn looks like Khaya anthotheca. Not bad but grain grows like DNA so very unpredictable #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn anthotheca is kinda like drunken Sapele, you can get great figure but can’t walk a straight line #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW double helix grain, cool #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke: @RenaissanceWW I have a fastener pull out tester that we use for work. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @RenaissanceWW you can say that again. planed @55deg, then scraped to deal with tearout. can’t sand b/c of the maple next to it. #woodchat

@superdav721: @RenaissanceWW Does it have the 3d look like sapele #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: where is anthotheca from (not Cote d’ivoire or Senegal, I presume)?#woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: Shannon – how do you feel about figured wood in woodworking? Does figure affect workability with hand tools? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @uppercutwood this is a bit of a myth, most woods are sustainably harvested today but there are bad exporters #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @uppercutwood US has worst timber control of anybody. Other countries rely too much on the export so take good care of it #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW what’s a bad exporter? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @uppercutwood always exceptions of course but US biz is too regulated to buy from the bad guys. #woodchat

@Morton: @MansFineFurn @renaissanceww same with the padauk I’ve been using next to maple. I just leave the tearout; no1 will notice ;) #woodchat

@superdav721: RT @uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW whats a bad exporter? ditto#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @uppercutwood China does all the buying from the bad guys and that keeps them in biz #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @uppercutwood really if the exporter doesn have chain of custody all the way back to stump avoid them #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW so in general if you can buy the wood at a local hardwood dealer, it’s probably responsible #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke: @BillGriggs well done, Bill. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: US Lacey act will hold you accountable if you cannot show proof of origin #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke: @JimAAshley hey Jim, #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW one reason I avoid Chinese products as much as possible #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 yes but not as predictable or uniform like Sapele #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @uppercutwood yes because they probably didn’t buy it direct. Instead someone like @mcilvainlumber bought it and has certs #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr: @jth I have tree service connections ;-) Many are happy to supply wood.#woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: @jth I work with a local sawmill operation – viable lumber. They find the good urban trees#woodchat

@BillGriggs: @DyamiPlotke Thanks. It’s nice to give back once in a while.#woodchat

@Morton: Like @DJOfurnituremkr and @uppercutwood I highly recommend finding urban wood in your area. Find a sawyer. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @uppercutwood the problem isn’t in legalit/sustainability it is in quality. Bar is lowering everywhere due to demand #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @Morton yeah, but I’m neurotic…gotta get it out #woodchat

@TheRealNeal: Evening all. Just got home from work and thought I’d say hi. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @Morton totally agree, I love Windfall lumber in Washington. @WindfallLumber #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @uppercutwood oh yeah and just cause it says FSC doesn’t mean it is green #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke: @RenaissanceWW here’s the test setup. http://t.co/cdYZop0o #woodchat

@superdav721: @RenaissanceWW where is most of the demand? China? #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW Really? FSC… tell us more. #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @TheRealNeal Hello.#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 def and they want our domestics big time too #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: Good source of local wood: tree services and land clearing, and find a local sawyer. Good wood cheap (I think I say the everytime) #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr: @jth One of the drop offs from last Summer: http://t.co/dGabTBRP #woodchat

@Morton: @MansFineFurn totally. Just so we recognize that fact as furniture makers. No1 cares about that 1/2″ spot as much as you do. #woodchat

@JohnELuke: Hello#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: Far east in general buys like mad from Africa and Indonesia cause not embargos or reg laws. They cause bad harvests IMO #woodchat

@BillGriggs: Kennedy Hardwood South of Syracuse in Prebble N.Y. Great folks to deal with. #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr: Find or ask local tree services in your area via: http://t.co/vSQU0HY1 #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @DJOfurnituremkr that’s huge! what’s it going to become #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @BillGriggs howdy Bill! #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @uppercutwood this covers most of it http://t.co/n3epYvC9 re: FSC #woodchat

@superdav721: @RenaissanceWW How about South America? #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: http://t.co/PLoAeHgT #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @DJOfurnituremkr What will you make from that wood? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @BillGriggs I know those guys well, they are a client. Good lumber there, great people #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr: @uppercutwood Not sure yet, it’s Burr Oak, over 200 yr’s old. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 South America has some of the best forestry plans on earth. Toss up between Brazil and Canada actually #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: BTW – that was the link to Viable Lumber… the guy is part of a national network of urban tree harvesters #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 in Brazil, Peru, Bolivia you have to have a 50 year plan already laid out before you can even get a land concession #woodchat

@TheRealNeal: @BillGriggs Hey BIll. #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @uppercutwood Howdy back. #woodchat

@superdav721: @RenaissanceWW great now get Africa on board. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke: @TheRealNeal hello, Neal. Happy #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr: @BillGriggs Not sure yet. It has a sister as well though. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 most of Africa is fine (run by Europeans) the high demand from Asia means bad can stay in biz cause they R less $$ #woodchat

@TheRealNeal: @DyamiPlotke Thanks Dyami. I need it after the past couple of days at work :) #woodchat

@superdav721: @superdav721 Where is Russia in this picture? #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @RenaissanceWW I agree. They planed a 6/4 Black Walnut slab for me at no charge. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 totally fine, they have more birch than they can deal with and natural regrowth is very high #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 germans run most of the birch and beech export & they are meticulous and sticklers for detail #woodchat

@superdav721: @RenaissanceWW Good I am glad they are not sell to China more than theye are replanting. #woodchat

@jth: @DJOfurnituremkr TomsWorkbench forgot #woodchat hash tag on a few replies there…

@ToddInMontana: @RenaissanceWW @DJOfurnituremkr @superdav721 @uppercutwood Hey Woodworking Brotha’s I finally caught you guys #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ToddInMontana ‘sup Todd #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: @jth Whoopsie! Sorry ’bout that #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW I am so in love with Walnut it’s crazy. #woodchat

@superdav721: @ToddInMontana hey Todd#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 did you know that replanting ratio in Russian boreal was dropped because natural outpaced it? #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: @RenaissanceWW Man I have missed you guys I am usually out in the shop evenings but I am doing paperwork #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @superdav721 same thing goes for Canada and Fir and Cedar, 20:1 regrowth #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: @uppercutwood I am with you on the walnut #woodchat

@jmk89: @RenaissanceWW Do you think we should go back to using pine/deal/birch as substrate and veneer the hardwood like many C18 works? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @TomsWorkbench totatlly, probably my favorite: Walnut has much character #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr: @ToddInMontana Hi Todd, how’s it going? I’ve been playing around with making small items for Etsy. Kind of addicted to it now. #woodchat

@superdav721: @RenaissanceWW holly crap Batman. Thats good news. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @RenaissanceWW I’m really grown to love Walnut. It has such a wide range of color.#woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: Cocobolo is one of my favorites for the look, but oils can be trouble. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @ToddInMontana Hey Todd! Man I miss ya! Walnut is *the* best. #woodchat

@kweinert: @RenaissanceWW For turning, Louro Preto, cherry, lignum, maple, rosewoods, walnut #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: @RenaissanceWW I do also like the maple/walnut contrast.. plus, it’s two of my favorites! #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Shannon how about air-dried vs. kiln dried. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @jmk89 I wouldn’t say that. Mainly because pine is so poorly seasonsed now. it all goes to 2x4s so quality is terrible #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: @DJOfurnituremkr Not necessarily a bad thing is it? #woodchat

@JimAAshley: @RenaissanceWW I did birds eye maple with walnut for last projects, going to do more with walnut for next project. I like it. #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: @RenaissanceWW Funny – the SYP I get here in Florida is some REALLY nice stuff#woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: Tulipwood turns well and has good color variety. As does olivewood. #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr: @uppercutwood Air dried for me please. Kiln dried is like chill filtered single malt ;-( #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @kweinert love me some Rosewood, too bad it is so heavily regulated now. Very easy to be illegal with the Dalbergias #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @kweinert ask Gibson guitar about Rosewood sometime #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: On a typical job my wood choices are limited to what a given house already has in it & oak is overused I am sick of it #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: @RenaissanceWW funny – I have my Fender bass on right now #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ToddInMontana regional tastes certainly play into that too. Not a lot of Mahogany rooms in MT eh? #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr: @ToddInMontana I’m getting some sales but people are slow to give feedback. Looking forward to the Fine Furnishings Show though. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @TomsWorkbench SYP can be the exception because it is so resinous, but still be picky #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: Walnut, Cherry, Maple, in that order for workability, but I like the smell of cherry more. For contrast, walnut w ash looks gd #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: What is the difference between Peruvian Walnut and Walnut? #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: Due to an ongoing project over the last 2 yrs I have been exposed to rift sawn oak and really taken a shine to it #woodchat

@TheRealNeal: @RenaissanceWW The usual suspects-Walnut, Cherry and would love to try some Mahogany #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @JimAAshley any trouble with the birds eye and tearout? #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW Gibson Guitar wood seizure: http://t.co/Vw97NPDr #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @TheRealNeal http://t.co/kAWLaLew sorry could’nt resist, but check out the Mahogany I just listed #woodchat

@uppercutwood: What about birch or beech? #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: @RenaissanceWW in some of the old RR and ranch barons castles of the day #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @uppercutwood replace “seizure” with “rape” and the title is more appropriate #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @TheRealNeal I loved working with mahogany last time I used it. #woodchat

@kweinert: @RenaissanceWW You (or anyone) ever hear anything bad about Cook Woods? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @DozersWorkshop weeping in general is due to poorly dried and unset resin. Higher & slower drying is necessary for these species #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: @uppercutwood I have consistently had problems with birch the grain does not run very straight #woodchat

@superdav721: @ToddInMontana you aught to see some of it in the antebellum homes down here. #woodchat

@TheRealNeal: @RenaissanceWW NIce! #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @kweinert absolutely not, above the board all the way. Good folks, know them well #woodchat

@JimAAshley: @RenaissanceWW some tearout with the BE Maple. I did presoak with denatured alcohol before sending through the planer. #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: @uppercutwood cutting it releases a lot of tension and the loss rate is high #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: @superdav721 Where you at? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ToddInMontana lots of Mission style craftsman out there isn’t there? Also rustic open timbers stuff? #woodchat

@uppercutwood: I have laser engraved cherry, and the sap heated and came to the surface, can I sand it off or should I wipe with mineral spirits? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @JimAAshley dangit that was the tip I was going to give you, good on ya #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @ToddInMontana Like a case hardening problem #woodchat

@TomsWorkbench: Alright, cats… I’m outta here. Gotta instruct a basic Public Information Officer class tomorrow morning #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: gonna try a follansbee-style oak quartering from a 30″ diam. log soon. Don’t much like oak, but a joint stool is in my future #woodchat

@superdav721: Mississippi where cotton was king and built beautiful old homes #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @RenaissanceWW What’s your take on differences between Peruvian Walnut and Regular Walnut? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ToddInMontana Birch is a pretty unstable species actually, that’s why it is usually QS. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke: @TomsWorkbench Goodnight, Tom. #woodchat

@kweinert: @RenaissanceWW Good to hear, thanks. That’s the impression I had, but nothing to really back it up. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: RT @tyskkvinna: #woodchat I avoid working with birch as hard as I can…. the smell makes me want to vomit.

@uppercutwood: @TomsWorkbench nighty night little Tommy :) #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: @RenaissanceWW I am lucky to know some other craftsman that are defining a rustic/contemporary style in the heavy timbers #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns Peruvian is 2x harder, but still works well. Not that bad in price either, flooring industry may change that tho #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @superdav721 North, South, East or West. Senatobia? #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: @RenaissanceWW I really want to video & photograph these guys in their shops #woodchat

@JimAAshley: @RenaissanceWW lol, blame @MBWPodcast ;-). I picked it up from him in his vid when he did those cutting boards #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns I have some Nogal (Peruvian Walnut) that I tested last week, I like it, great deep color #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @RenaissanceWW Or it (Birch) makes really nice plywood :) #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr: See you next week guys. #woodchat

@superdav721: @BillGriggs Johns just south of Brandon #woodchat

@JimAAshley: @TomsWorkbench later Tom! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @RenaissanceWW What is your preferred sealer?#woodchat

@uppercutwood: @DJOfurnituremkr Adios Dale #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: @RenaissanceWW they sell it flatsawn by the bunkloads out here it is cheap by the bf but I mark the labor way up and by lots extra #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: wow an hour goes fast in #woodchat time! Any other questions?

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns Shellac and wet sanding, simple and cheap #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: @RenaissanceWW I basically price it out of the picture and go to maple #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: especially when @RenaissanceWW is here #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @RenaissanceWW thanks so much for stopping by and helping us out tonight Shannon. If you have questions, visit Shannon’s Blog #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @DozersWorkshop I’ve done it, polishes nicely and easily #woodchat

@superdav721: @superdav721 bill where is Senatobia? I cant place it #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @superdav721 Great. Near Jackson.#woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @RenaissanceWW What do you recommend for filling in knots? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: Do me a favor #woodchat, please check out my new retail lumber site http://t.co/kAWLaLew. I need feedback on function

@BillGriggs: @superdav721 Near Memphis. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: Thanks Shannon. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: It is my first (hopefully last ecommerce site) so I’m all ears and won’t take offense to criticism #woodchat

@TheRealNeal: Got to go guys. It’s been short but sweet! Great info tonight @RenaissanceWW #woodchat

@superdav721: @RenaissanceWW done deal #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: Soooo…. who wants to help split that giant oak log? #woodchat

@JimAAshley: Have a good night folks… thanks @RenaissanceWW for the great info. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke: @RenaissanceWW The links not working Shannon. #woodchat

@Morton: I’ve got some black birch cut from my property and air dried. Awesome color with cool streaking. Who knew. Gold and reds. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @benjamenjohnson sawdust and epoxy usually, sometime CA when I’m lazy #woodchat

@kweinert: @RenaissanceWW Thanks for all your input tonight Shannon. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @RenaissanceWW I get a bad link on that site. #woodchat

@uppercutwood: Your answers are likely on http://t.co/xxHOiqP7 or http://t.co/hQltlLHc #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: Let’s try that again http://t.co/tXMX9bYO stupid typing skills #woodchat

@superdav721: @BillGriggs got ya. I gave you a follow. My email superdav721@gmail.com #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @kweinert my pleasure for a fellow Coloradan from a former Coloradan #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: @RenaissanceWW I scraped sawdust from a walnut piece and mixed it with some epoxy, looks like it’d work but wanted to double check #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @DavidJUlschmid that doesn’t sound right. Is it a 12/4 piece? Weight is the bigger factor #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @RenaissanceWW ummm, what’s 14/16 QS sapele (front page center?), 7/8? #woodchat

@superdav721: Had a great time guys, Shannon, Todd, Bill all you guys are super. Goodnight. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn d’oh! silly fractions #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @superdav721 glad you joined us, see you next Wednesday! #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @superdav721 Thanks. I returned the favor. I will shoot you an email.#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @benjamenjohnson you can always dye it and it doesn’t hurt to go darker since the knot will be dark anyway #woodchat

@BillGriggs: @superdav721 Good night. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @DavidJUlschmid good tip, Ill see what I can do #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @RenaissanceWW sell it as 28/32 or 56/64 and double the price ;) #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: Shipping is usually the killer for online wood sales for me. How is your site handling this expense? #woodchat

@jth: @RenaissanceWW @ramblinrdesigns I made a trash/spice/cookbook/charge nook cabinet with Peruvian walnut #woodchat http://t.co/xQUyi4nk

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns we have strict size guidelines placed on us by UPS but we try to break up shipments if necessary #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @jth I like it! #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @RenaissanceWW Have you considered filters besides species, like width, length, thickness? Could help for narrowing down #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson: Time to say goodnight to my daughter. Goodnight all and thanks Shannon! #woodchat

@ToddInMontana: Good To Catch you guys this week! #woodchat

@jth: @MansFineFurn if I could get to MA to help split and haul a slab back, I would! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @jth Nice. What’s the door panel? Looks lighter in color in the pic? #woodchat

@uppercutwood: @ToddInMontana good to see you, see you next Wednesday I hope! #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @jth hah, you’ve even got coordinated in your profile, where are you (canada is my guess, ’cause of the curling) #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn good thought, should be easy enough to implement #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: http://t.co/tAPFAIYt going into my suppliers bookmark folder….NOW #woodchat

@jth: @ramblinrdesigns gel-stained birch ply, if I recall correctly. The cabinet was a pre-hand-tool-revelation project. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @DavidJUlschmid I get $12.04 as an estimate on that board. Where are you? #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @MansFineFurn appreciate that Nick, subscribe to the email list too, I’ll be pushing specials a lot that way #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @paulvschulte yeah I like the mobile site. I’m still getting the logo cutting off on my iphone tho #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @DavidJUlschmid the yard is in MD, but I plugged in a CO zip for the shipping estimate #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @jth, I was close! minneapolis to MA for a slab of oak? Worth it? maybe with a side trip to Plimoth Plantation to see Follansbee #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @RenaissanceWW How about listing available q instead of cart saying it is not available in Q desired. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @ramblinrdesigns That’s how our local food co-op handles their orders. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns I’m working on that, going to take a custom workaround , want to remove quantity box completely #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @DavidJUlschmid I”m going to keep an eye on that David, thanks for pointing it out #woodchat

@MansFineFurn: @RenaissanceWW done, thanks for showing up to chat tonight. hope to see you round here more often!! G’nite all! #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns right now what you see in the pic is what you get, if a board is gone the option in dropdown will not be shown #woodchat

@uppercutwood: OK guys, woodchat is officially way past over. Let’s thank Shannon and let him get back to his life ;) #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: @ramblinrdesigns the quantity thing confuses the issue #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW: S’okay #woodchat you have worn me out, I’m outta here, got some site changes to make

@SMeekWoodworks: Whoa, you guys are still going. cool. Evening #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: @RenaissanceWW Makes sense. Thanks Shannon. Just trying to help. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks: @renaissanceWW will the species selections be expanded? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns: Bye all. Time for a late supper. See you next week. #woodchat

Practicing Hand Cut Dovetails for Woodworking in America

I know, it’s hard to believe, you haven’t seen a new post since spring. For the few of you that were concerned, thanks for your concern and encouragement, but I’m just fine. Things have just been very busy (in a good way) this summer. My wife and I purchased a vacation place in Crescent Bar and have enjoyed many family-focused weekends there in the sunshine. Our four-year old is becoming quite a swimmer, and I’ve been fishing the lakes nearby quite a lot. I expect that next summer will be a slow woodworking and blogging time for me as well. I do most of my work in the Fall, Winter, and Spring. Thank goodness my shop is well lit and heated.

The Hand Tool Olympics

If you haven’t heard of Woodworking in America, then you must be living under a rock. All the cool woodworking kids are going and we’ll be participating in the Hand Tool Olympics either as teams or individuals. I don’t think we have it figured out yet – we’re slackers that way. There are six events:

  1. One Meter Dash: rip a 1” x 12” x 36” using a hand saw.
  2. Shooting Sports: use a jointer plane to square the edge from the One Meter Dash.
  3. Crosscut Extravaganza: crosscut that same board with a hand saw.
  4. Brace Yourself for a hole in One: bore a 3/4” hole in a plank straight and square to the surface.
  5. Pins First or Tails First: hand cut dovetails.
  6. Greco-Roman Tenons: cut a 3” long 3/4” inch thick tenon on the end of a 2” x 4”

The Dovetail Rules

I’m practicing my hand cut dovetails first, so I went straight to Mike Siemsen from the Society of American Period Furniture Makers and the School of Wood to get the details.

  1. Materials: 3/4” x 3” pine
  2. Tools: 1/2” chisel, mallet, layout gauge, dovetail saw, pencil or marking knife, coping saw, marking gauge, and square
  3. Objective: 2 full tails, 1 full pin, 2 half pins or 2 full pins, 1 full tail, 2 half tails

The tools I’m using and a test joint in some hemlock.

The tools I’m using and a test joint in some hemlock.

Stock Preparation

I had a lot of 3/4” pine on my lumber rack, so I milled it down today and prepared some test pieces. It’s not 3/4” thick per Olympic rules, but it’s fine for practice and I don’t expect any sanctions.

8” long, 3” wide, 9/16” thick pine boards ready to be hacked up and then burned unless they look good.

8” long, 3” wide, 9/16” thick pine boards ready to be hacked up and then burned unless they look good.

Rhythm and Quality

Today while cutting dovetails I had my little girl in the shop. It is very nice to have your kids in the shop with you during hand work. There is no noise, and you can carry on a conversation while you work. She’s only four, but really enjoys the time in there with me. Anyway, today I was working on developing a repeatable rhythm for quickly cutting dovetails. Here’s the steps I went through.

Tails first

  1. Mark the inside face and bottom edge of both boards
  2. Using the marking gauge set to the thickness of the stock, scratch a mark along both ends and faces of the tail board and both faces of the pin board
  3. By eye, mark the half pins on the tail board
  4. With the small square, find the center of the tail board, and mark the center pin (it’s about 1/2” wide)
  5. With the layout gauge, mark the tails on the face of the board
  6. Tilt the board in the vise to cut the left side of the tails, tilt it the other way to cut the right side
  7. Using a coping saw, remove the center pin as close to the line as possible
  8. Put the board in the vise right side down, remove the half pin
  9. Put the board in the vise left side down, remove the half pin
  10. I’m now done cutting the tails; clean up all cuts with the chisel

Pins next

  1. Put the pin board in the vise. Orient the boards so that the inside faces and bottom edges are correct, and the edges are flush.
  2. Trace the edges of the tails onto the pin board.
  3. Cut the tails away on the pin board, leaving the pencil line.
  4. Using a coping saw, remove the tails as close to the line as possible
  5. I’m now done cutting the pins; clean up all cuts with a chisel

Test the joint

Assemble the joint with the inside faces and bottom edges correctly oriented. After three practice joints today, you should get something as good or better than this.

My four year-old Hayden with dovetail joint #3.

My four year-old Hayden with dovetail joint #3.

Key Takeaways

This is the “what I learned today” section.

  1. Handwork is quieter and therefore lends itself to having your kids in the shop with you. Hayden is building a playground for her dolls with the offcuts.
  2. Handcut dovetails are not that hard. A little practice goes a long way.
  3. The coping saw may be the unsung hero of the dovetail. The better you are with the coping saw, the less chiseling you’ll need to do. I’ll be picking up a nice one at WIA this year.
  4. Hold-downs for chisel clean up are key. Too bad I don’t have a hold-down for my Sjoberg’s bench. If anyone can point me to a hold down that will work, I’d appreciate it.

More Information

Shannon Rogers, the Renaissance Woodworker, just posted an interview with Mike Siemsen the originator of the Hand Tool Olympics. He also has some great videos about the events and a Hand Tool School.

Next Steps

I’m going to watch some of Shannon’s videos and other woodworking videos to refine my technique and improve my time. Today I didn’t actually time myself because Hayden was in the shop but I will do that when I am practicing in the shop alone. It felt great to get some shop time today, and I’m glad I’ve been able to keep up (for the most part) with everyone on twitter. See you all at Woodworking in America!