Woodworker’s Discuss Online Woodworking Communities: Woodchat Transcript March 7, 2012



OnΒ March 7Β Woodchat got together to discuss the state of online woodworking communities.

Woodchat Transcript March 7, 2012 6pm Pacific/9pm Eastern

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@sharpendwood Paste wax or camelia oil for rust prevention? If camelia oil, where do you get yours? #woodchat

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@Tooltutor .@sharpendwood I use paste wax from SC Johnson #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr @sharpendwood Camelia oil, Hida tool is a great source: http://t.co/sm7Ey4f1 #woodchat

@chidwickschool Online Classes to Benefit Marc Spagnuolo’s Wood Whisperer Tragedy http://t.co/UZFa3JYy #woodworking #woodwhisperer #woodchat #woodtalk

@DJOfurnituremkr What is tonight’s topic? #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @sharpendwood MinwaxPaste Wax. Cheap and pretty effective. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop what’s the topic for #woodchat tonight?

@WatkinsWoodWork Hmmm no #woodchat tonight. Been ordered to take the night off. Or else!

@kring_l camilia oil all the way with wax i was still getting rust #woodchat

@chidwickschool Online Classes to Benefit Marc Spagnuolo’s Wood Whisperer Tragedy http://t.co/i0aML6Em #woodworking #woodwhisperer #woodtalk #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop quick shower to get fiberglass off then I’ll be back #woodchat

@Tumblewood Studying some more of Bob Lang’s Sketch Up for WWers while I wait for all y’all #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks Sorry guys, but I won’t be able to partake in #Woodchat tonight.

@WoodWhisperer I’m on dinner duty while @nicolespag puts the boy down for bed, so I’ll be in and out. #woodchat

@uppercutwood Hello everyone! #woodchat

@JimAAshley Hi Folks, I’ll be back and forth a bit tonight for #woodchat

@uppercutwood Tonight we’ll be talking about online woodworking communities #woodchat

@Tumblewood Hey hey #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson Hi guys. #woodchat

@uppercutwood And we might touch on the recent attacks on one of our favorite communities, http://t.co/OfCGWgAq @thewoodwhisperer #woodchat

@Tumblewood @uppercutwood I think of it as one big community. Of course, I was fortunate to travel among all the cliques when I was a kid. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks Hey there woodchatters. Trying this out on my Asus Transformer Prime. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @uppercutwood I was just asking a question over on G+, got an answer within a few minutes. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @uppercutwood That sure give one pause thinking about it! #woodchat

@uppercutwood @Tumblewood Ditto #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks How are things going with the website @thewoodwhisperer? #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @SMeekWoodworks Old generation or new one? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns Hello all. Better late than never. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @SMeekWoodworks Hey Scott! Mr. plane maker, extraordinaire #woodchat

@dbwolverinefan Evening all.. #woodchat

@JimAAshley @SMeekWoodworks ooh, nice. How do you like the transformer? #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks @benjamenjohnson Its the TF201, not the 700,if thats what your asking #woodchat

@wilburpan Hey – I have a Wednesday evening free, so I get to play in the #woodchat sandbox! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @uppercutwood Attack on the woodwhisperer? What happened? #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer Well the site is up, so that’s a good thing. πŸ™‚ Attack is still going on though. #woodchat

@uppercutwood So, what does “online woodworking community” mean to you, and do you see this as a fractured community or not? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn disagree somewhat, some online wwrs stick to forums (LumberJocks, TWW, etc.) Some just do G+, some twitter, many do a bit of each. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid #woodchat Ya Hoo! What’s happening woodworkers!

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer has your hosting provider been of help? #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood not at all. Hence our upcoming move. πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@Tumblewood The chat tonight was requested/suggested to be is the WWing community fractured. I don’t think so, if you don’t want it to be. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @uppercutwood “Online Woodworker”. There is no such thing. You can’t work wood while you are online. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn to be unfractured, does that mean there is only one community, or everyone is in all communities? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn the question was raised as to whether there are ‘factions’ (though maybe not the right term) I think many here go between, but… #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks @Tumblewood hey Vic! #woodchat

@JimAAshley @SMeekWoodworks excellent, I’ll keep that in mind when I finally get around to getting a tablet #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer I would expect it would be in their best financial interest to help. Too bad they aren’t. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @MansFineFurn But, like any community, you can chose to participate in many venues. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson Speaking of online, are there any online WW facebook groups? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn do forum-only folk know about/participate elsewhere? Is there an unstated heirarchy? #woodchat

@JimAAshley @WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood Good luck with that move Marc, hopefully the new provider will have better protections in place #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood yeah a few of us gave them crap recently on Twitter. But I’m just one customer… #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @uppercutwood #woodchat What is the correct balance between online and woodworker? Similar to the balancing a clean shop and productivity?

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer how many hours of work has this created for you? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @Tumblewood the question was not ‘fractured’ but factioned #woodchat

@wilburpan @WoodWhisperer I’m sure the one tweet I sent them scared the crap out of them. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @MansFineFurn #woodchat I’ll be the first to put in a anti-forum vote. I do not like them Sam I Am.

@benjamenjohnson @DavidJUlschmid What if I’m programming a CNC over the net and watching it via webcam? Just sayin? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn I think all communities have factions. Even when I was on a football team the O-Line hung out together #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr I don’t spend time on forums like I used to. I’d say a reduction of about 90%. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @MansFineFurn Yea, I couldn’t remember. It was one or the other. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks Have to tuck my daughter in for bed. Be back in a bit #woodchat

@wilburpan @DavidJUlschmid I think there are good forums and bad ones. And not all sub-forums in a forum are equally good/bad. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood its been constant since last Sunday and no shop time #woodchat

@MansFineFurn bear in mind, this is not my question, I’m just restating it for @elicleveland who may not make it tonight. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @benjamenjohnson #woodchat Got me there! But real woodworkers don’t call CNC operators woodworkers (snark)

@ramblinrdesigns I am a regular on LJ’s and my G+ woodworker’s circle is turning into a great learning place. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @DJOfurnituremkr I find that if I can’t woodwork full time yet, I need to keep my online habits down or never get things done. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer had to learn a lot of new skills? What hosting provider’s *do help* in cases like this? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @uppercutwood ok, so there are factions? Good? Bad? Doesn’t matter? Can/should we try to do anything about it? #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @wilburpan Dude, you rock! #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns How many do you have in your G+ woodworking circle? #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson I don’t like hanging out in forums, but I have to say that I’ve found some pretty useful threads in forums via Google Search #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns Used to frequent WoodWhisperer and need to revisit that connection. Kind of fell off the wagon when the guild became pricey. #woodchat

@uppercutwood Saying there is a single online woodworking community is like saying there is a single woodworking community #woodchat

@MBWPodcast Can you NOT have factions within any group of people? #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr @Tumblewood Most forums are like FWW now, sos different day. #woodchat

@uppercutwood There are many woodworking communities but they all share a common bond, making them a larger community #woodchat

@Tumblewood @DavidJUlschmid I just think everyone relates differently to wwing. makes sense there would be lots of different feels to forums #woodchat

@uppercutwood @Tumblewood Vic and I agree on this one. #woodchat

@sharpendwood Family+dinner time+ #woodchat proving once again to be just impossible. Wish I could participate.

@MBWPodcast Not every woodworker enjoys the same thing, there are turners, carvers, etc. they’ll enjoy spending time w/like minded wwrkrs #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson It would be nice if there was some sort or giant aggregator for all the wordworking communities. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @MansFineFurn That’s easy. Like attracts like. People with similarity gather together. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @ramblinrdesigns @wilburpan #woodchat I want to be in that circle! Someone has to represent South Dakota!

@wilburpan @MansFineFurn People get mad at each other for stupid/petty reasons. Like pins/vs. tails first. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer my site isn’t a target, but that’s a great tip – check the TOS of your hosting provider #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @newfwoodworker it comes and goes… #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MBWPodcast exactly bud! #woodchat

@GarageWW @MansFineFurn the only faction I’m aware of is the hand tool vs power tool divide. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @ramblinrdesigns but i dont charge for the free stuff πŸ˜‰ #woodchat

@LaMacchiaDesign hey everyone #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @Tumblewood #woodchat What is the sum of 12 good apples and one bad one?

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer @mbwpodcast thanks to both of you Podfellas for stopping by our little woodchat #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @ramblinrdesigns Yeah I used to have over 400, but now with the sliders I’ve broken it down into a core group and sometimes group #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr @DavidJUlschmid More a dig at the forum they screwed up. Although I haven’t picked up a magazine in awhile either. #woodchat

@CoolToolShed Factions may be a good thing! Everyone has a skill they are good at. When you look to try something new you can go to that group. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn For the record, I am neutral on the question, trying to communicate questions from both sides of the coin #woodchat

@newfwoodworker @MBWPodcast thanks, I got hacked yesterday so thought it was part of that #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @MBWPodcast we have them within the WTOR podcast. Three in fact! πŸ˜‰ #woodchat

@BillGriggs Good evening #woodchat

@wilburpan I think the fact is that forum users > social media users by a long shot right now. #woodchat

@kring_l @garageww one of the reasons i like it here its a good mix #woodchat

@uppercutwood @GarageWW turners vs. carvers, sprayers vs. brushers, iron planes vs. wood planes LOL #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @uppercutwood @woodwhisperer my faction told me to

@Meet here to rumble with the other factions lol #woodchat

@Tumblewood I just don’t go to place I don’t like to be. It’s a free interweb. Go where ya want. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @MBWPodcast #woodchat Per your twitter pic. Please take your hat off that cheapo painted coat rack and build a nice wooden one!

@BillGriggs I like the fact that you can share so much information across a variety of woodworking communities. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @wilburpan yup forums have been around longer #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @DavidJUlschmid I’ll share my circle with you. Look me up on G+ as Beth Perry #woodchat

@GarageWoodworks Dang it. Did I miss #woodchat ?

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Jets vs. Sharks! #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MBWPodcast when you say faction I want to scream “Wollveerriinneess!!!” the woodworking Red Dawn! #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @newfwoodworker it’s possible. But it ebbs and flows for me #woodchat

@MansFineFurn are there places within the greater woodworking community (online) where anyone is made to feel like an ‘outsider’? #woodchat

@Tumblewood @MBWPodcast Matt, I’ve been trying to figure out what the hell your avatar is! ? #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer yes we do! #woodchat

@Tumblewood @uppercutwood LOL! #woodchat

@uppercutwood @Tumblewood on twitter? the uppercut logo (partial) #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke RT @Tumblewood: A community is always the sum of its parts. So, yes, I see the wwing community as a whole. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @DavidJUlschmid that’s a work rack…according to management I’m not suppose to change anything. No matter how faulty it is lol #woodchat

@wilburpan I don’t post links to my blog often, but when I do, much more traffic comes from forums than Twitter/G+/FB. About 10x more. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @WoodWhisperer True, and I will revisit that side. I got sidetracked by LJ’s. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn i think the online woodworking clique probably made others feel excluded at wia 2011 a bit. my fault. #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @Tumblewood @MBWPodcast Looks like his knit hat on hooks. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke RT @DyamiPlotke @uppercutwood the only fracturing I see is in forums. Blogs, twitter & G+ are open. -Doh! #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @uppercutwood @wilburpan Chortles vs cringes #woodchat

@JimAAshley be back in a few folks #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke RT @uppercutwood: @MBWPodcast when you say faction I want to scream “Wollveerriinneess!!!” the woodworking Red Dawn! #woodchat


@ramblinrdesigns @WoodWhisperer P.s. My “Popeye” project never showed up that I shared with you a long time ago. Any memory of it? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @wilburpan well that is an interesting tip posting to forums drives more traffice than social media #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Jet tablesaws vs. Shark saws! #woodchat

@HighRockWW #woodchat sorry just getting here. How’s everyone doing?

@WoodWhisperer i think the factions online are based more on how people want to share/communicate as opposed to skill/style/pro status. no harm. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @DyamiPlotke @uppercutwood that’s a good point! forums can give communities a bad name if you let them! #woodchat

@MansFineFurn I am aware of some forum folk who dislike/distrust the social net community, and from some comments here, some distaste for forums #woodchat

@Tumblewood @WoodWhisperer That’s accurate. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn so to call it a ‘happy’ community seems erroneous #woodchat

@BillGriggs RT @uppercutwood: @wilburpan well that is an interesting tip posting to forums drives more traffice than social media #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns I think ease in navigation is important in the sites. They can be very overwhelming when there is so much content. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer I agree, they aren’t negative. could b beneficial 2 make sure communities are aware of eachother but nothing to fix #woodchat

@wilburpan @uppercutwood The one thing you have to be careful about posting blog links on a forum is that you can’t do it too often…. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @WoodWhisperer I Agree, Marc. Mist are nit bitter, though some are occasionally. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @WoodWhisperer do you notice any biases between users of each medium? #woodchat

@Tumblewood @WoodWhisperer I’ve always like your rules..simple “No religion, politics or dicks!” #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn true, but I think that’s OK. there are newspapers that suck too. doesn’t mean ‘news is dead’ #woodchat

@wilburpan @uppercutwood …just for the sake of announcing a new post. That gets frowned upon. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop back.. time to catch up #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @MBWPodcast I make it a point to bring wood to work as often as possible #woodchat Wooden clipboard, wooden bookmarks, wooden pens…

@Tumblewood To berate someone for any reason in discourse is crude. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @Tumblewood it’s my woobie waiting for me. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @wilburpan #woodchat right, don’t be an obnoxious spammer

@DyamiPlotke @MBWPodcast @uppercutwood yes, and they’re walled gardens. I think the conversation should be as public as possible. #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork Popping in for a bit. #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur #woodchat hello everyone ! Sorry for the poor attendance record . What’s new?

@benjamenjohnson One community we haven’t talked about is blogs Some blogs have almost as much discussion as a forum I also know WW’s who only blog #woodchat

@Tumblewood @MBWPodcast This must be a crappy monitor. I can see it ok once I knew what it was, but no clue before. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @DyamiPlotke with search engines, aren’t all those conversation public already? #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer I think a lot of the negativity online is still the fact people are anon. Does this happen in a seminar? #woodchat

@wilburpan @DyamiPlotke How is a forum a walled garden compared to Twitter? I’m missing something. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @woodwhisperer when do you think this DDoS will be over? And what did you do to piss off the Russian Mob? #woodchat

@mamader Sorry I am late coming in. Evening all #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork #woodchat I’ve had a few negatives while in and working for various forums. Kinda left a bad taste so I generally avoid them.

@newfwoodworker @pickettfurnitur you just missed it, marc gave out free Guild Memebership to all who joined. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @Tumblewood lol dems da rulez! πŸ˜‰ #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns I like the way LJ’s lets you “friend” or buddy people. It helps establish relationships with a select few. #woodchat

@newfwoodworker πŸ™‚ Kidding. πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @wilburpan It’s more a matter of scale. Twitter is a 100x bigger walled garden #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MBWPodcast being anonymous and in your basement gives dickwads false courage #woodchat

@BillGriggs @benjamenjohnson Blogs are a great place to cover big projects. but forums have quicker responses. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @WoodWhisperer I KNOW! I was a moderator for a long time. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @DavidJUlschmid i cringe everytime I open the door and see that thing on the wall #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @newfwoodworker I want in on that offer. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks @uppercutwood universal internet truth. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @Tumblewood I have the same problem with some avators. #woodchat

@newfwoodworker LOL I was kidding. Please void message. lol #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop So, never heard back on tonights topic. gathering it’s about the WW community in some fashion? #woodchat

@Tumblewood @BillGriggs TWW live chat was a big help too, but another thing I’ve had to cut down on. Too much to get done in too short a time #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood when they have mercy on me lol. maybe my slight jersey accent?? #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop So, never heard back on tonights topic. gathering it’s about the WW community in some fashion? #woodchat

@Tumblewood @BillGriggs TWW live chat was a big help too, but another thing I’ve had to cut down on. Too much to get done in too short a time #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood when they have mercy on me lol. maybe my slight jersey accent?? #woodchat

@wilburpan @uppercutwood My wacky idea is that we should drop handles. People act more mature when they’re not posing as AwesomeCarver44. #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks Hey, guys. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @FromTheWoodshop yup, online woodworking communities, with some discussion of the DDoS attack on @woodwhisperer #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @uppercutwood thats why I’m always naked and open in my basement lol #woodchat

@mamader @Tumblewood we do miss you in there Vic! #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @newfwoodworker @pickettfurnitur lol #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur #woodchat what’s everyone’s favorite type of planer/jointer cutterhead? Any recs? Gonna replace mine this year.

@uppercutwood @wilburpan @jaymohr always talks about camaroguy420 in his podcast it’s hilarious #woodchat

@mamader @MBWPodcast TMI!!!!! πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@Tumblewood @wilburpan True. I still have Tumblewood every where. #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks @pickettfurnitur Shelix! #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MBWPodcast and I can’t unsee that tweet #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @wilburpan @uppercutwood agree 100%! #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @mamader be thankful I put clothes back on for the recorded videos. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @pickettfurnitur get a spiral cutterhead with replaceable carbide inserts, there was recently a test in one of the mags #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns Back to topic, are LJ’s, TWW and Sawmill Creek the big three or are there others I’m not aware of? #woodchat

@Tumblewood @mamader I try to pop in from time to time to see everyone.I did have the feed up a lot.Not up until I start working a piece again #woodchat

@mamader @MBWPodcast That is a GOOD thing Matt!! #woodchat

@uppercutwood @pickettfurnitur even the Grizzly cutterheads did well #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks @ramblinrdesigns Canadian Woodworking Forum, The Burl Forum #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast I know there’s a reason we only see you from the waist up. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @uppercutwood that’s why I have granite topped tools and not reflective metal lol #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns Woodnet, WoodCentral. #woodchat

@mamader @Tumblewood Understand #woodchat

@EliCleveland Hello! What’s all the hubbub? #woodchat

@uppercutwood If you post links to your favorite forums here, or favorite sites, I’ll call them out in the transcript #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer not sure what it says but i get significantly more engagement via facebook vs Twitter and G+ #woodchat

@BillGriggs @ramblinrdesigns Router forum, #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @wilburpan I meant bigger in terms of total users and content, not specifically WW users and content. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @EliCleveland finally, now you can restate your topic/question in your own words #woodchat

@EliCleveland Condolences to @woodwhisperer and best of luck sorting things out. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan that and even with the wide angle lens I still take up all the frame #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @WoodWhisperer @wilburpan @uppercutwood So you agree with G+ rule about real names only? #woodchat Is this enough to make it the standard?

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland we’re covering you’re topic bud! #woodchat

@wilburpan @benjamenjohnson Got it. #woodchat

@newfwoodworker It’s all just too overwhelming I agree with @woodwhisperer FB G+ T #woodchat

@marckriegel I have TONS of @WOOD_Magazine and woodworking booksAs i follow alot of plans on the “how-to” part howcan i keepeverything orgnized #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur #woodchat thanks for the tips. Looking for ease of changing knives as it currently takes over 90 mins on current machines.

@FromTheWoodshop @WoodWhisperer everyone does FB; G+ still catching on and twitter is for folks with OCD (like me πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@Tumblewood It may be the betamax vs VHS. Everyone’s comfortable on FB. #woodchat

@BillGriggs @WoodWhisperer Facebook is better for longer interactions #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @EliCleveland thanks man. been a week from hell. #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks @pickettfurnitur Changing the square carbide cutters is slow but easy. #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Too many jokes about “taking up all of the frame”, if you know what I mean AND I know you do. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer oops I forgot my hashmark, I get more traffic from FB than twitter or G+ #woodchat

@EliCleveland woot. I wondered if “the internet woodworking community” was real. People talk like there’s a bond, but I don’t see it. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @DavidJUlschmid @wilburpan @uppercutwood wish it was. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @FlairWoodworks slow? are you changing all of them? #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks @uppercutwood I haven’t needed to yet. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @newfwoodworker @WoodWhisperer when you say facebook, you mean your pages, not a facebook group though, right? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @MBWPodcast @wilburpan #woodchat why does a Monty python sketch keep popping into my head here….

@And now something completely different!

@BobbyHagstrom @DavidJUlschmid @pickettfurnitur I bought carbide blades for my DW735; they last quite long. I can slide them if they get nicks. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks http://t.co/XLvIfyqG is a great forum, and about much more than just festool. #woodchat

@EliCleveland There are a number of communities, but they still seem largely segregated, though by URL instead of geography. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland you don’t see it right here right now? or in the guilds? or on twitter? we even meet in real life sometimes (nerds) #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @pickettfurnitur 90 mins?? Ouch. Dewalt blades aren’t resharpenable and indexed so change out is about 10 mins. #woodchat On Board Tools!

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan noodles man! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns And so many tweets have links. I don’t have a data plan on my phone and it got frustrating. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @benjamenjohnson @newfwoodworker yeah basically my FB TWW page. #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland I think we have seen how strong the woodworking community is on the Internet right now #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @SMeekWoodworks Is the answer to every problem: why aren’t you using Festool though? #woodchat

@newfwoodworker @benjamenjohnson both for me, thought I’m very new, I’m seeing the same on my personal FB and my Fan FB page same on G+ #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks Dang tweetchat shortened the url. Talkfestool is the forum #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland The one thing that bonds us is that we are all going broke being woodworkers #woodchat Can we help each other be successful?

@Tumblewood RT @mamader: @EliCleveland I think we have seen how strong the woodworking community is on the Internet right now<< Big time #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Noodles noodles noodles egg and noodles noodles noodles noodles noodles baked beans noodles noodles noodles #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @uppercutwood @elicleveland your Empire/Rebellion while extreme, shows the issue with factioned communities #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland is it the same as how people have “loyalties” to the specific site like they have them for sports teams? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @Tumblewood @mamader @elicleveland #woodchat I would agree the rally behind @WoodWhisperer is evidence of that.

@marckriegel I once thought woodworking would be easy then in took an arrow to the knee #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks @benjamenjohnson definitely not. Lots of amazing tool makers hang out there. #woodchat

@newfwoodworker @benjamenjohnson @woodwhisperer When I say “ME” I mean, Matthew. I live in his shadow. lol #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland essentially same sport or league, different team? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @DavidJUlschmid I agree. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @DavidJUlschmid Unfortunately communicating with other ww’s makes my GAS worse (Gear Aquisition Syndrome) #woodchat

@Tumblewood Gotta run guys. Good chat! #woodchat


@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn it was a joke, star wars fans are a community, even though they take sides. #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast I used to have a loyalty to one forum before some jerk came along and ruined it for me. #woodchat

@BillGriggs @WoodWhisperer How far ahead do you plan your podcasts? #woodchat

@EliCleveland @uppercutwood It’s part of a larger issue I have with “woodworkers.” #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom @LaMacchiaDesign They have oval slots so you can slide them a bit on the rotor to offset a nick in the blades. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @BobbyHagstrom @pickettfurnitur Did you notice a cut quality difference between HSS and carbide blades? #woodchat

@MKatFWW Sorry to miss #woodchat tonight. I’ve been making 2 of these. Original there for size ref. http://t.co/RJpMzGPy

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Sort of like a team you like signing a player you hate. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @SMeekWoodworks OK, I’ll have to check it out. Just asking cause I’ve met some pretty gung-ho Festool users. #woodchat

@GarageWW @uppercutwood rockler vs woodcraft! #woodchat

@mamader Cya Vic! #woodchat

@BillGriggs @Tumblewood good night Vic. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan I know that feeling…sorry about that #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland is the issue the “ego issue” my tool/shop/project/community is better? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork #woodchat as for the question regarding gathering together IRL I would gladly. But my local WW scene is next to nill.

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland what are you seeing? #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @BillGriggs sometime a week or so. sometimes 5 minutes lol #woodchat

@EliCleveland I wrote a blog once (my only one) talking about one aspect. #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast I did eventually get over the Bulls signing Dennis Rodman. #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur @DavidJUlschmid not a noticeable cut difference, just a life expectancy of the blade. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan love the team, hate the player! #woodchat

@EliCleveland @uppercutwood That’s a huge part of it. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks I really need to go down to the shop and work, but the couch is so cozy… #woodchat

@EliCleveland http://t.co/3maH6oSa #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland Please elaborate, I have found this community to be one of the most down to earth communities out there. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @benjamenjohnson Are you a Tool Monger? #woodchat I buy tools to try new things. I live to learn! Some lessons are expensive #carving

@BillGriggs RT @WoodWhisperer: @BillGriggs sometime a week or so. sometimes 5 minutes lol #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @GarageWW Rockler all the way! :>) #woodchat

@EliCleveland @Tumblewood I thought that comment about The Hand Tool School from a few weeks ago said a lot. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop I agree that the WW community as a whole is a tight group;tighter for some than others. Not bad or good; just groups w/in a group #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @WoodWhisperer I think that speaks 2 level of engagement of those engaging you Twitter & G+ seem 2 B 4 hardcore online Woodworker #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan got over or just accepted lol? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @uppercutwood: @EliCleveland is the issue the “ego issue” my tool/shop/project/community is better? #woodchat
@MansFineFurn @uppercutwood your example is apt: Communities made up of parts of a whole but communities have problems as a result of factions #woodchat

@wilburpan @uppercutwood Woodworkers who participate online have egos? I hadn’t noticed. :@) #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @DavidJUlschmid I used to write for them until I got sick of them not paying me. #woodchat

@EliCleveland A guy trashed Shannon for calling himself a teacher, so everyone trashed him. No one, except Shannon, showed him respect. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland absolutely, but there is no community that is 100% flying in formation (except drug cults maybe) #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland I saw that comment too, and I really do believe that is the exception, not the norm, and the support backs that up #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland did you get swamped by the know it alls & the you should do it this ways? #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur Wow, I never knew about all these cliques/. I guess ignorance us bliss in this case. Too bad because who doesn’t like to talk shop? #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland @uppercutwood #woodchat What traits does a person exhibit to get placed in quotes? A woodworker or a “woodworker”?

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland heck that happens in my family. there are dicks everywhere. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @MKatFWW looking good Matt. Please check in out the post about you at http://t.co/HkZmqHXZ today. #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Championships go a long way towards making you feel better. And at least it wasn’t Bill Laimbeer. #woodchat

@BillGriggs @benjaminjohnson Woodworkers are very loyal to their brand. Some folks get REAL defensive. #woodchat

@mamader @DavidJUlschmid I am wondering that myself. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @pickettfurnitur I, like Vic, traveled in all cliques in my life. jocks/non jocks/stoners/punks/whatever. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @DavidJUlschmid I’m using quotes when I’m referring to what other say. #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @EliCleveland #woodchat I disagree. It wasn’t that he trashed Shannon it was how he trashed him for wanting to share his knowledge/exp.

@uppercutwood for example, i won’t buy festool. am I out of the online woodworking community now? #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland that’s a good point. The pile on effect is overwhelming and common courteous goes out the window #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @pickettfurnitur right, my point exactly, if such factions exist, what can we do about it #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom @DavidJUlschmid @pickettfurnitur Not much difference at first, but as the non-carbide blades dulled I’d get surface tearout. #woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland Note: that guy was relatively anonymous. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @Tumblewood Did this happen in woodchat or somewhere else? I’m out of the loop. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @BillGriggs That’s what disappoints me about the “community.” #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MBWPodcast like a bar fight. two guys start, others pile on. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks @uppercutwood yup. Festool hater! #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @uppercutwood no, Matt. Even I say stand proud. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan there’s always a worst possibility lol #woodchat

@EliCleveland @MansFineFurn I actually think we need to acknowledge the fracturing more openly. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @uppercutwood Yea. I like more than anything is to just be me. No ulterior motives I just want to be happy and learn #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn increase positive connections between communities, and ignore the dicks. don’t give them a voice. #woodchat

@mamader @MBWPodcast Of course, when someone Trolls like that, I think they have it coming #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom I wish forum people wouldn’t jump all over newbies; often I see people almost apologizing for asking a question! #woodchat

@EliCleveland @wilburpan If the community were about woodworking, should notoriety matter? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @EliCleveland agreed, with the objective being mending fences, or tearing them down #woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland Or we could just call people on their BS. Then behavior tends to improve. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @uppercutwood theres that sense of loyalty for friends, but at some point enough has been said and the point made #woodchat

@EliCleveland @mamader I didn’t think he was trolling. I think there was something bigger going on and no one respected it. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland what would that get us to acknowledge it? What problem are we solving? #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @Tumblewood @uppercutwood +1 #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur IRL, there is a guy with a tool shop in town who looks down at all of his shoppers. Everyone in our building has commented on this.#woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland What was that bigger thing? #woodchat

@EliCleveland @uppercutwood less noise. Blogs/comments/forums about process can be about process. Ones about tools can be about tools. #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland He out right called him a fraud, which was completely unfounded. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @mamader i agree a troll needs to be called out, but after the 10th time it starts to lose its power & becomes something else #woodchat

@EliCleveland Someone can be making a great point and be bogged down by distractions. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland I feel like we’re peeling an onion getting to some root issue you want to discuss. help me. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @mamader In his mind, he is a fraud. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @BobbyHagstrom #woodchat You can bet that the first few forum answers are going to be a-holes dissing the question. that sucks

@MansFineFurn @EliCleveland bogged down, or just cowed into disengaging from the community; not expressing their views. Silenced by the majority #woodchat

@EliCleveland @uppercutwood I suppose it’s a problem with the internet in general. Giving everyone a voice builds factions. #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur @uppercutwood hah! Same here! The jocks had to invite us stoners/punks to their parties as we were their suppliers. #woodchat

@mamader @MBWPodcast agreed, but I still don’t think that is a negative of the community as a whole. That is more of an effect of the Inet #woodchat

@EliCleveland There’s a loss of the value of information. There’s no work to get it. That’s why the guy was pissed. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland a forum devoted to 1 topic will eventually expand, it seems to always happen. Human nature to change the subject #woodchat

@uppercutwood if forum moderators delete posts from dicks, and block them, instead of allowing wars to go on, that helps. #dickjail #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @MBWPodcast I just don’t know if calling out a troll is productive. I guess it depends on the troll. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @pickettfurnitur I didn’t smoke, but I found Zeppelin #woodchat

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland Then sue him. Otherwise, if you don’t like a restaurant, don’t eat there. con’t…. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop IMO the WW community can be a hard nut to crack. Everyone is polite, but not necessarily chummy.Not the rule, just an observation #woodchat

@EliCleveland We’re spreading information, which I love, but not spreading the culture. #woodchat

@BillGriggs I have a tracksaw and can’t talk about it because the owner of the company made the topic toxic. #woodchat

@EliCleveland Woodworking is being subsumed by internet culture. #woodchat

@BillGriggs No names please. #woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland That is a great point. He still should have had the maturity to make it without calling people frauds. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland @uppercutwood that’s the truth! Everyone wants their moment, good or bad . #woodchat

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland There’s no need to stick your head in the door as you go by and yell..this place sucks. #woodchat

@LaMacchiaDesign Goodnight everyone. My wife needs back up with our daughter. Bedtime’s not going over well tonight. 3 yr olds. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop trolls get off on conflict. Recently saw some psych studies on the topic. would be useless. Best thing is to ban them… #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @EliCleveland I have a friend who thinks this way, that sharing info free on the ‘net is bad. I don’t understand that rationale #woodchat

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland What did that guy’s comment have to do with culture? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland not when you end up meeting in real life. but isn’t all culture being impacted by the internet. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn RT @EliCleveland: Woodworking is being subsumed by internet culture. #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland Completely disagree there. I think the internet is expanding the hobby ww base. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @mamader true #woodchat

@JimAAshley @LaMacchiaDesign have a good one and good luck with bedtime #woodchat

@EliCleveland There’s no respect because the person who can work the internet best looks more qualified than the person who can work wood best. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @mamader Some would say that expansion is killing the culture of woodworking. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland #woodchat That is a great point!

@uppercutwood I think woodworking will survive the internet #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @LaMacchiaDesign Good luck! I’ve been there. #woodchat

@kring_l @mamader agree #woodchat

@uppercutwood good point @EliCleveland #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland didn’t they say that when electricity was invented? #woodchat

@EliCleveland @Tumblewood In that guy’s world, it’s disrespectful and dishonest to anoint oneself a teacher. Not online. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @benjamenjohnson if the troll has a history of bullying (it happens) or is spreading lies, a community needs to say something #woodchat

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland Oh…well, not everyone wants to be active on the internet. I do a little, but not much. Life is busy. #woodchat

@wilburpan +1 RT @uppercutwood: I think woodworking will survive the internet #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @benjamenjohnson if the troll has a history of bullying (it happens) or is spreading lies, a community needs to say something #woodchat

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland Oh…well, not everyone wants to be active on the internet. I do a little, but not much. Life is busy. #woodchat

@wilburpan +1 RT @uppercutwood: I think woodworking will survive the internet #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @EliCleveland some might say the internet is helping to spread the love of the craft and keep it alive. #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland In this time of ikea, I would say it is saving it. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn RT @WoodWhisperer: @EliCleveland some might say the internet is helping to spread the love of the craft and keep it alive. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks RT @uppercutwood: I think woodworking will survive the internet #woodchat

@EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer Agreed. I think it is saving the craft, but not the profession. #woodchat

@uppercutwood the internet, like a hammer, is a tool. build furniture or crush skulls. any tool can be misused. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland @mamader Like Olive Garden killed the culture of good Italian restaurants? Walmart killed the culture of mom and pop #woodchat

@Tumblewood Interesting. I see it the opposite. I like access to knowledge. I’d just be hacking away if not for the internet. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @WoodWhisperer Only negative is that there is so much info it can be overwhelming. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @MBWPodcast Yeah, I’d agree on lies or bad info, but if they’re bullying I think ignoring and a ban is more in order. #woodchat

@uppercutwood we’re past the time, but the discussion is still going. carry on… #woodchat


@benjamenjohnson RT @WoodWhisperer: @EliCleveland some might say the internet is helping to spread the love of the craft and keep it alive. #woodchat

@EliCleveland It’s hard to be a pro when there’s no degree, not apprenticeship, no title. #woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland Is it also not disrespectful to tell someone to refund money to their students without good cause? And in ALL CAPS? #woodchat

@uppercutwood I’ve seen shitty woodworking books, did those ruin woodworking? maybe – less apprenticeships? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn does the online ww community have a responsibility to make it welcoming to all POVs? or “if you don’t like it, don’t come in? #woodchat

@Tumblewood OK, OK..I’m STILL hacking away, but I’m getting better! πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @EliCleveland How’s it killing the profession? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland I think some countries have standards for titles (UK?) #woodchat

@EliCleveland @wilburpan No doubt, he did not approach that in the right way. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 The internet is defiantly helping the craft #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts Woodworking? It’s not going anywhere. Good grammar? It may not survive the internet..!!! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @WoodWhisperer But on the positive side, the inspiration is awesome. It’s a challenge to develop the skillset to keep up. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer #woodchat Important and heart breaking distinction.

@Tumblewood Yea, I should go. I was supposed to be in already. Night all. #woodchat

@JimAAshley @Tumblewood good night Vic! #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts Personally, I think that the internet has really opened up woodworking to a lot of people who may have never considered it before #woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland My take is that if that guy made the same point live and in person, he would get the same reaction…. #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom I think the internet makes woodworking more accessible and brings its image into the 21st century. #woodchat

@uppercutwood I think I see part of Eli’s point – how do you separate the self-taught and self-titled with the those with real training? #woodchat

@EliCleveland @benjamenjohnson Everyone calls themselves a woodworker or furniture maker. Credentials are on your website. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @Tumblewood G’night! #woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland …so it’s not really an internet thing. It’s a being a jerk thing. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer #woodchat Woodworking crafts end up at the junk store. Professional woodworking ends up in museums.

@EliCleveland People talking math online don’t call themselves mathematicians and don’t get hired for math jobs. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @K2Woodcrafts lol #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur #woodchat I’m about to turn into a pumpkin. Nice chatting! I follow back so I’d we aren’t connected, please do so! Woodworkers Unite! πŸ˜‰

@wilburpan I think the internet is great for information. But for woodworking, you still have to see some things live and in person. #woodchat

@uppercutwood Here’s my personal example. Am I a “pro” because I have an LLC and do paid work? Or should I matriculate first? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @K2Woodcrafts It has clearly led me to learn many new skills just to try and recreate the beauty I have seen shared. #woodchat

@mamader It is the 21st century after all, any profession that isn’t able to keep up with tech & inet is not going to survive. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland @woodwhisperer but awareness goes a long way #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @wilburpan I agree #woodchat

@wilburpan Our woodworking club hasn’t lost members because of the internet. Neither have woodworking schools, as far as I can tell. #woodchat

@uppercutwood I can be a CEO buy visiting VistaPrint #woodchat

@wilburpan So it’s not an either/or with the internet. It’s an additional resource. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @uppercutwood Not everyone even gets the LLC. They just do some work and sell it. #woodchat

@wilburpan And if you leave the real world for the internet, making it an either/or when it really isn’t, you’ll lose out. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @mamader I disagree,there will always be a demand for fine furniture,I’ve been doing it for 30 yrs #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood woodworking isnt all that different than music. Self-taught musicians make some damn good music. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @uppercutwood The proof of the pudding is in the eating. It’s always been caveat emtor, people calling themselves what they’re not #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW Dang #woodchat thrilling convo I just walked in on

@WatkinsWoodWork @EliCleveland #woodchat So just because I haven’t gone to school means I can never be a pro WW? That thinking to me is the root of the prob

@mamader @wilburpan For the groups that embrace the internet, probably quite the opposite. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn not all great furnituremakers are formally trained. The proof is in the pudding (as they say) #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @RenaissanceWW #woodchat is on fire tonight!

@ramblinrdesigns @wilburpan Except for competition from the new online offerings, aka, The Hand Tool School and others. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @mamader That’s very true. But I think the internet community doesn’t understand the pro perspective well, and isn’t sympathetic. #woodchat

@mamader @woodshaver101 Didnt mean that there wouldn’t be a demand, but the fine woodworker needs to keep up with current tech trends too #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @WoodWhisperer: woodworking isnt all that different than music. Self-taught musicians make some damn good music. #woodchat
@MBWPodcast Oops forgot my hash tag again? So it comes down to a title? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns I see the offerings as more opportunity to learn. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @WatkinsWoodWork Not quite. It’s not schooling per se. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW @WoodWhisperer and professionally trained musicians go into marketing lol #woodchat

@kring_l RT @MansFineFurn: not all great furnituremakers are formally trained. The proof is in the pudding (as they say) …well put #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland Then help connect the two communities #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop IMO “pro”is used very loosely. I think it’s something that is earned by peers rather than self given (regardless of education) #woodchat

@BillGriggs @MansFineFurn not everyone is a fine woodworker. hat takes practices and time. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @mamader cnc is nice but there are some things that cant replace good craft skill #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland IMHO, its up to the pro, not the community to make a better understanding. #woodchat

@EliCleveland I have to run. Sorry that I can’t hang around. I’ll try to write something about it. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @FromTheWoodshop Right on. #woodchat

@uppercutwood Should there be a series of woodworking projects one must be able to complete to assign a title? #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns It’s only competition if you’re going after the same customers…. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @FromTheWoodshop I’ve always taken pro to mean you get paid, not any description of skill of quality #woodchat

@uppercutwood @RenaissanceWW one of my former engineers had a dance degree. seriously. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn Addendum: not all great furnituremakers are formally trained.. proof is in the pudding … but training can help get there #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland it’s not just woodworking, many fields have the same issues, photography, cooking, etc. #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns Ww’ers who like live classes aren’t HTS customers because they won’t take an online class in the first place…. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @uppercutwood no, I think it’s a matter of earned respect. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @EliCleveland FYI, here’s a guy that got a job at a university b/c of his website. No degree. http://t.co/Kqk03gcL #woodchat

@mamader @woodshaver101 agreed, but even without CNC the pro needs to leverage tech like the inet to help them grow. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @wilburpan Surely this world is big enough to have enough to go around for all. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @FromTheWoodshop I’d say pro is reserved for those who make a living on it. “master” is conferred by peers #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns And ww’ers who join HTS because they can’t travel to a live class aren’t customers for the live schools. #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts Agreed. I know people who have lots of education and are dumb as dirt. And people who never finished school and are “pros” #woodchat

@kring_l im a trained welder the class wasnt bad but running beads for 8 hrs a day taught me how to weld #woodchat

@uppercutwood there are lots of self-taught software engineers that are great. they pass tests everyday at work #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @FromTheWoodshop @uppercutwood like many fields there are required criteria to hang a shingle, but woodworking has none #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @uppercutwood Europe as a title system the guilds.you just cant go in business making cabinets with out there blessings #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @wilburpan There is a place for both. The economics of the online version can’t be denied, for both provider and student. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop whether it’s respect from a client or fellow tradesman. Respect is respect. If there is none, then the title pro is false IMO #woodchat

@mamader @MansFineFurn Well put! #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @MansFineFurn good point #woodchat

@wilburpan Exactly! Therefore, not really competition. RT @ramblinrdesigns: Surely this world is big enough to have enough to go around #woodchat

@uppercutwood why don’t we find out the projects to meet the criteria, and then all work our way through them? #woodchat

@Black_SheepWW younger people coming into the hobby,the internet is best.

@My local club is all older guys and don’t help the young guys#woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop whether it’s respect from a client or fellow tradesman. Respect is respect. If there is none, then the title pro is false IMO #woodchat

@mamader @MansFineFurn Well put! #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @MansFineFurn good point #woodchat

@wilburpan Exactly! Therefore, not really competition. RT @ramblinrdesigns: Surely this world is big enough to have enough to go around #woodchat

@uppercutwood why don’t we find out the projects to meet the criteria, and then all work our way through them? #woodchat

@Black_SheepWW younger people coming into the hobby,the internet is best.

@My local club is all older guys and don’t help the young guys#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW I don’t think this conversation would exist if I called it The Hand Tool Club or Guild. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer pro or hobby really doesn’t matter. It’s about personality. Some are just threatened by the internet and dont understand it. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @MBWPodcast In many fields those required criteria are arbitrary and mean very little. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 i learned working in shops and reading books,now i make a living full time not easy . #woodchat

@wilburpan @RenaissanceWW How about Hand Tool Hut? #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @wilburpan Hand Tool Hangout? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @RenaissanceWW probably #woodchat

@mamader @WoodWhisperer People fear what they don’t understand. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @kring_l #woodchat Liability could hurt untrained “pros”. Some things, when done wrong, are unsafe. Welding is a very good example

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer there is something about a market being flooded by inexperience & undercutting a pros living #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW @uppercutwood because I want to have fun and not pass a test. Build what you want and how. We don’t all have to be pros #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @WoodWhisperer @wilburpan hand tool hovel #woodchat

@BillGriggs @WoodWhisperer Many things I have learned I taught myself. However there is nothing like a good teacher’s instruction. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @MBWPodcast is that really happening though? I honestly don’t know. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer and when the inexperience leaves a bitter taste in a client’s mouth word gets out & can damage the pro indirectly #woodchat

@realpdm Need to turn my mess of a tiny shop, 5′ wide into a usable workspace http://t.co/pOKihWgk have to roll tools onto carport to work #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @MBWPodcast @woodwhisperer #woodchat but that’s the problem for any service/manufacturing business.

@FromTheWoodshop RT @MBWPodcast: @WoodWhisperer there is something about a market being flooded by inexperience & undercutting a pros living #woodchat

@MansFineFurn RT @BillGriggs: Many things I have learned I taught myself. However there is nothing like a good teachers instruction. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer #woodchat Photography definitely got flooded with new “pros” once digital came along.

@woodshaver101 @MBWPodcast thats nothing new,do good work and build a name then the money will come in #woodchat

@BillGriggs RT @woodshaver101: @MBWPodcast thats nothing new,do good work and build a name then the money will come in #woodchat

@wilburpan There are 2 defs of “Pro” that are being mixed up. Pro can mean “in business”. Pro can also mean “expert”. And it can be both. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @DavidJUlschmid and if the quality of the work is equivalent, why not. If they can produce the quality over and over, they’re pro #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @benjamenjohnson they are arbitrary, but it’s how the community at large perceives the credentials. People give weight to them #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer why are some assuming furniture consumers are dumb and can’t differentiate between good and bad quality? #woodchat

@wilburpan @WoodWhisperer House of Hand Tools. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns I have paid the big and small bucks for instruction. The quality of the instruction is not always “you get what you pay for”. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer speaking specifically about consumers of custom furniture, not walmart shoppers. πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts Look at web design. There are “pros” that make a living at it. But it’s so easy that anyone can. The difference is the quality #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer aren’t some consumers dumb? http://t.co/fqqswN9m #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns The same could be said for furniture. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @WoodWhisperer you cut me off at the pass! #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @wilburpan @WoodWhisperer This Old House of Tool Shaped Objects #woodchat @RenaissanceWW

@K2Woodcrafts I would argue that consumers are smart and demand quality, especially with the state of the economy #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @MansFineFurn yeah I think the marketplace certainly helps to weed out the bad apples. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @woodshaver101 reputation does count, but cheap amateurs can make the market think all things will be built that way & lose trust #woodchat

@kring_l @davidjulschmid true and good point i was just saying i learned more about welding from practice. lots of it not the best example #woodchat

@uppercutwood @RenaissanceWW amen. ditto. i want to graduate from the school of doing. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @WoodWhisperer they either know what they want or are looking for a deal some dont care about price,only good work #woodchat

@Black_SheepWW @WoodWhisperer I think people look for the cheapest and overlook quality. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @WoodWhisperer unfortunately ignorance is a common trait in most consumers of most products/services. We deal w/ it at work often. #woodchat

@BillGriggs @MansFineFurn Great observation. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @WoodWhisperer I think it’s more that there are so many “pro’s” out there that the meaning has been diminished. Lots of cons #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @uppercutwood @RenaissanceWW Garden Fork Eric Rochow says Done is better than perfect #woodchat

@DustyDeveloper Nice! RT @MKatFWW: Sorry to miss #woodchat tonight. I’ve been making 2 of these. Original there for size ref. http://t.co/FWeHRGCU

@woodshaver101 @MBWPodcast just the opposite the cream rises to the top.customers can see this #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer Want to see a pro who embraces the internet and doesn’t feel threatened by it? Check out http://t.co/6Qiaty0U #woodchat

@MansFineFurn Let’s not make the mistake of not seeing the other side of the coin: Eli’s perspective is a valid one, and certainly frustrating #woodchat

@BillGriggs @Black_SheepWW Simple. Don’t build for that market. #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts I am also a realist though. I know my work sucks today, but eventually I would like to be good enough to sell what I do. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW @wilburpan that’s good if you add Crazy Shannon’s in front of it #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer I think the internet is a good way to perpetuate the craft and even the profession #woodchat

@MansFineFurn for formally trained makers, musicians, chefs, etc #woodchat

@uppercutwood RT @WoodWhisperer: Want to see a pro who embraces the internet and doesnt feel threatened by it? Check out http://t.co/Wu9E0xGV #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts That will come with lots of practice and an infusion of sawdust into my veins. #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer there will always be a small percentage that rise to the challenge of making it their profession #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @BillGriggs well said, dont low ball your self #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @WoodWhisperer I’ve seen his work. Really special. #woodchat

@wilburpan @WoodWhisperer I would, but I can’t get to the website because of a DDoS attack. (ouch) #woodchat

@uppercutwood Crazy Shannon’s YouTube Woodworking Barn! #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson Speaking of kids not going to sleep, I need to go help with bedtime, Goodnight Great conversation everyone! #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @wilburpan someone is attacking Dan’s site?? #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer I learned by reading lots of print and bugging a couple of local guys but would have used internet #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @wilburpan twitter has more members, is publicly searchable & covers all topics, allowing unintended woodworkers in too. #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer if I had a computer or internet at that time I was growing #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer Funny thing is this conversation could be had in many industries. Adapt or die folks. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @elicleveland the first link in your blog post on the subject is missing (fyi) #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @FromTheWoodshop @woodwhisperer does someone call themselves a pro simply because they get paid to build? Is that the problem? #woodchat

@wilburpan @MansFineFurn I don’t deny the validity of Eli’s point. This discussion started because someone made that point in a rude way. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @WoodWhisperer I was just there??? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer we should never allow people to buy music online! #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @MBWPodcast that probably is part of the issue eh? cause it says nothing about experience or ability. #woodchat

@wilburpan @WoodWhisperer Referring to you, my friend. Or did the attack dissipate already? #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer I use the internet mostly with the goal of sharing the knowledge to hobbyists & I do get #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @woodshaver101 when the customer is looking. Plenty wont. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @ToddInMontana me to ,the knowledge is there at our fingertips #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @wilburpan i thought you were talking about that link I posted to Dan’s site. And attack is still on, lol. Somebody wuvs me! #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @MBWPodcast I think that may be part of the issue. I don’t call myself pro though I have a business. Don’t feel I’ve earned it yet #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @WoodWhisperer @EliCleveland some guys needing a more pro level advice #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @MBWPodcast Just because they are getting paid doesn’t mean the payee knows what they are getting into.. IMO that’s the problem #woodchat

@BillGriggs @MansFineFurn I think you have earned it. #woodchat

@wilburpan @WoodWhisperer You certainly fit the definition of “pro who embraces the internet and doesn’t feel threatened by it”. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns I hate to leave, but my stomach is growling. Time for a very late supper. Bye all. #woodchat

@wilburpan @MansFineFurn I think that’s the pro=business vs. pro=expert thing again. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @BillGriggs thanks bill, but I need to prove it to myself before It feels comfortable on me #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @woodshaver101 the internet has turned out to be a good resource for research for me but I am glad I learned basics without it #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @FromTheWoodshop most pro cabinet shops are pocket screw assembly shops,the skill is almost gone #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer could be. I still tell friends & family I’m a hobbyist not pro, but they say I’m being modest. We know better lol #woodchat

@uppercutwood things are winding down, transcripts soon #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @FromTheWoodshop couldn’t agree more #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @MBWPodcast There are plenty of “pros” I have seen that do hideous work the term is used incorrectly #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @uppercutwood Geesh! I just got here! #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer Even in industries where only “pros” exist, you can still get crappy service. Doctors for instance. No offense @Wilbur. πŸ™‚ #woodchat

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