Woodworker’s Discuss Online Woodworking Communities: Woodchat Transcript March 7, 2012

On March 7 Woodchat got together to discuss the state of online woodworking communities.

Woodchat Transcript March 7, 2012 6pm Pacific/9pm Eastern

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@sharpendwood Paste wax or camelia oil for rust prevention? If camelia oil, where do you get yours? #woodchat

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@Tooltutor .@sharpendwood I use paste wax from SC Johnson #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr @sharpendwood Camelia oil, Hida tool is a great source: http://t.co/sm7Ey4f1 #woodchat

@chidwickschool Online Classes to Benefit Marc Spagnuolo’s Wood Whisperer Tragedy http://t.co/UZFa3JYy #woodworking #woodwhisperer #woodchat #woodtalk

@DJOfurnituremkr What is tonight’s topic? #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @sharpendwood MinwaxPaste Wax. Cheap and pretty effective. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop what’s the topic for #woodchat tonight?

@WatkinsWoodWork Hmmm no #woodchat tonight. Been ordered to take the night off. Or else!

@kring_l camilia oil all the way with wax i was still getting rust #woodchat

@chidwickschool Online Classes to Benefit Marc Spagnuolo’s Wood Whisperer Tragedy http://t.co/i0aML6Em #woodworking #woodwhisperer #woodtalk #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop quick shower to get fiberglass off then I’ll be back #woodchat

@Tumblewood Studying some more of Bob Lang’s Sketch Up for WWers while I wait for all y’all #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks Sorry guys, but I won’t be able to partake in #Woodchat tonight.

@WoodWhisperer I’m on dinner duty while @nicolespag puts the boy down for bed, so I’ll be in and out. #woodchat

@uppercutwood Hello everyone! #woodchat

@JimAAshley Hi Folks, I’ll be back and forth a bit tonight for #woodchat

@uppercutwood Tonight we’ll be talking about online woodworking communities #woodchat

@Tumblewood Hey hey #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson Hi guys. #woodchat

@uppercutwood And we might touch on the recent attacks on one of our favorite communities, http://t.co/OfCGWgAq @thewoodwhisperer #woodchat

@Tumblewood @uppercutwood I think of it as one big community. Of course, I was fortunate to travel among all the cliques when I was a kid. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks Hey there woodchatters. Trying this out on my Asus Transformer Prime. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @uppercutwood I was just asking a question over on G+, got an answer within a few minutes. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @uppercutwood That sure give one pause thinking about it! #woodchat

@uppercutwood @Tumblewood Ditto #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks How are things going with the website @thewoodwhisperer? #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @SMeekWoodworks Old generation or new one? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns Hello all. Better late than never. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @SMeekWoodworks Hey Scott! Mr. plane maker, extraordinaire #woodchat

@dbwolverinefan Evening all.. #woodchat

@JimAAshley @SMeekWoodworks ooh, nice. How do you like the transformer? #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks @benjamenjohnson Its the TF201, not the 700,if thats what your asking #woodchat

@wilburpan Hey – I have a Wednesday evening free, so I get to play in the #woodchat sandbox! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @uppercutwood Attack on the woodwhisperer? What happened? #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer Well the site is up, so that’s a good thing. πŸ™‚ Attack is still going on though. #woodchat

@uppercutwood So, what does “online woodworking community” mean to you, and do you see this as a fractured community or not? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn disagree somewhat, some online wwrs stick to forums (LumberJocks, TWW, etc.) Some just do G+, some twitter, many do a bit of each. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid #woodchat Ya Hoo! What’s happening woodworkers!

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer has your hosting provider been of help? #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood not at all. Hence our upcoming move. πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@Tumblewood The chat tonight was requested/suggested to be is the WWing community fractured. I don’t think so, if you don’t want it to be. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @uppercutwood “Online Woodworker”. There is no such thing. You can’t work wood while you are online. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn to be unfractured, does that mean there is only one community, or everyone is in all communities? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn the question was raised as to whether there are ‘factions’ (though maybe not the right term) I think many here go between, but… #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks @Tumblewood hey Vic! #woodchat

@JimAAshley @SMeekWoodworks excellent, I’ll keep that in mind when I finally get around to getting a tablet #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer I would expect it would be in their best financial interest to help. Too bad they aren’t. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @MansFineFurn But, like any community, you can chose to participate in many venues. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson Speaking of online, are there any online WW facebook groups? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn do forum-only folk know about/participate elsewhere? Is there an unstated heirarchy? #woodchat

@JimAAshley @WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood Good luck with that move Marc, hopefully the new provider will have better protections in place #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood yeah a few of us gave them crap recently on Twitter. But I’m just one customer… #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @uppercutwood #woodchat What is the correct balance between online and woodworker? Similar to the balancing a clean shop and productivity?

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer how many hours of work has this created for you? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @Tumblewood the question was not ‘fractured’ but factioned #woodchat

@wilburpan @WoodWhisperer I’m sure the one tweet I sent them scared the crap out of them. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @MansFineFurn #woodchat I’ll be the first to put in a anti-forum vote. I do not like them Sam I Am.

@benjamenjohnson @DavidJUlschmid What if I’m programming a CNC over the net and watching it via webcam? Just sayin? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn I think all communities have factions. Even when I was on a football team the O-Line hung out together #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr I don’t spend time on forums like I used to. I’d say a reduction of about 90%. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @MansFineFurn Yea, I couldn’t remember. It was one or the other. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks Have to tuck my daughter in for bed. Be back in a bit #woodchat

@wilburpan @DavidJUlschmid I think there are good forums and bad ones. And not all sub-forums in a forum are equally good/bad. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood its been constant since last Sunday and no shop time #woodchat

@MansFineFurn bear in mind, this is not my question, I’m just restating it for @elicleveland who may not make it tonight. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @benjamenjohnson #woodchat Got me there! But real woodworkers don’t call CNC operators woodworkers (snark)

@ramblinrdesigns I am a regular on LJ’s and my G+ woodworker’s circle is turning into a great learning place. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @DJOfurnituremkr I find that if I can’t woodwork full time yet, I need to keep my online habits down or never get things done. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer had to learn a lot of new skills? What hosting provider’s *do help* in cases like this? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @uppercutwood ok, so there are factions? Good? Bad? Doesn’t matter? Can/should we try to do anything about it? #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @wilburpan Dude, you rock! #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns How many do you have in your G+ woodworking circle? #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson I don’t like hanging out in forums, but I have to say that I’ve found some pretty useful threads in forums via Google Search #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns Used to frequent WoodWhisperer and need to revisit that connection. Kind of fell off the wagon when the guild became pricey. #woodchat

@uppercutwood Saying there is a single online woodworking community is like saying there is a single woodworking community #woodchat

@MBWPodcast Can you NOT have factions within any group of people? #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr @Tumblewood Most forums are like FWW now, sos different day. #woodchat

@uppercutwood There are many woodworking communities but they all share a common bond, making them a larger community #woodchat

@Tumblewood @DavidJUlschmid I just think everyone relates differently to wwing. makes sense there would be lots of different feels to forums #woodchat

@uppercutwood @Tumblewood Vic and I agree on this one. #woodchat

@sharpendwood Family+dinner time+ #woodchat proving once again to be just impossible. Wish I could participate.

@MBWPodcast Not every woodworker enjoys the same thing, there are turners, carvers, etc. they’ll enjoy spending time w/like minded wwrkrs #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson It would be nice if there was some sort or giant aggregator for all the wordworking communities. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @MansFineFurn That’s easy. Like attracts like. People with similarity gather together. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @ramblinrdesigns @wilburpan #woodchat I want to be in that circle! Someone has to represent South Dakota!

@wilburpan @MansFineFurn People get mad at each other for stupid/petty reasons. Like pins/vs. tails first. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer my site isn’t a target, but that’s a great tip – check the TOS of your hosting provider #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @newfwoodworker it comes and goes… #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MBWPodcast exactly bud! #woodchat

@GarageWW @MansFineFurn the only faction I’m aware of is the hand tool vs power tool divide. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @ramblinrdesigns but i dont charge for the free stuff πŸ˜‰ #woodchat

@LaMacchiaDesign hey everyone #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @Tumblewood #woodchat What is the sum of 12 good apples and one bad one?

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer @mbwpodcast thanks to both of you Podfellas for stopping by our little woodchat #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @ramblinrdesigns Yeah I used to have over 400, but now with the sliders I’ve broken it down into a core group and sometimes group #woodchat

@DJOfurnituremkr @DavidJUlschmid More a dig at the forum they screwed up. Although I haven’t picked up a magazine in awhile either. #woodchat

@CoolToolShed Factions may be a good thing! Everyone has a skill they are good at. When you look to try something new you can go to that group. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn For the record, I am neutral on the question, trying to communicate questions from both sides of the coin #woodchat

@newfwoodworker @MBWPodcast thanks, I got hacked yesterday so thought it was part of that #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @MBWPodcast we have them within the WTOR podcast. Three in fact! πŸ˜‰ #woodchat

@BillGriggs Good evening #woodchat

@wilburpan I think the fact is that forum users > social media users by a long shot right now. #woodchat

@kring_l @garageww one of the reasons i like it here its a good mix #woodchat

@uppercutwood @GarageWW turners vs. carvers, sprayers vs. brushers, iron planes vs. wood planes LOL #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @uppercutwood @woodwhisperer my faction told me to

@Meet here to rumble with the other factions lol #woodchat

@Tumblewood I just don’t go to place I don’t like to be. It’s a free interweb. Go where ya want. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @MBWPodcast #woodchat Per your twitter pic. Please take your hat off that cheapo painted coat rack and build a nice wooden one!

@BillGriggs I like the fact that you can share so much information across a variety of woodworking communities. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @wilburpan yup forums have been around longer #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @DavidJUlschmid I’ll share my circle with you. Look me up on G+ as Beth Perry #woodchat

@GarageWoodworks Dang it. Did I miss #woodchat ?

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Jets vs. Sharks! #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MBWPodcast when you say faction I want to scream “Wollveerriinneess!!!” the woodworking Red Dawn! #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @newfwoodworker it’s possible. But it ebbs and flows for me #woodchat

@MansFineFurn are there places within the greater woodworking community (online) where anyone is made to feel like an ‘outsider’? #woodchat

@Tumblewood @MBWPodcast Matt, I’ve been trying to figure out what the hell your avatar is! ? #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer yes we do! #woodchat

@Tumblewood @uppercutwood LOL! #woodchat

@uppercutwood @Tumblewood on twitter? the uppercut logo (partial) #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke RT @Tumblewood: A community is always the sum of its parts. So, yes, I see the wwing community as a whole. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @DavidJUlschmid that’s a work rack…according to management I’m not suppose to change anything. No matter how faulty it is lol #woodchat

@wilburpan I don’t post links to my blog often, but when I do, much more traffic comes from forums than Twitter/G+/FB. About 10x more. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @WoodWhisperer True, and I will revisit that side. I got sidetracked by LJ’s. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn i think the online woodworking clique probably made others feel excluded at wia 2011 a bit. my fault. #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @Tumblewood @MBWPodcast Looks like his knit hat on hooks. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke RT @DyamiPlotke @uppercutwood the only fracturing I see is in forums. Blogs, twitter & G+ are open. -Doh! #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @uppercutwood @wilburpan Chortles vs cringes #woodchat

@JimAAshley be back in a few folks #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke RT @uppercutwood: @MBWPodcast when you say faction I want to scream “Wollveerriinneess!!!” the woodworking Red Dawn! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @WoodWhisperer P.s. My “Popeye” project never showed up that I shared with you a long time ago. Any memory of it? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @wilburpan well that is an interesting tip posting to forums drives more traffice than social media #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Jet tablesaws vs. Shark saws! #woodchat

@HighRockWW #woodchat sorry just getting here. How’s everyone doing?

@WoodWhisperer i think the factions online are based more on how people want to share/communicate as opposed to skill/style/pro status. no harm. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @DyamiPlotke @uppercutwood that’s a good point! forums can give communities a bad name if you let them! #woodchat

@MansFineFurn I am aware of some forum folk who dislike/distrust the social net community, and from some comments here, some distaste for forums #woodchat

@Tumblewood @WoodWhisperer That’s accurate. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn so to call it a ‘happy’ community seems erroneous #woodchat

@BillGriggs RT @uppercutwood: @wilburpan well that is an interesting tip posting to forums drives more traffice than social media #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns I think ease in navigation is important in the sites. They can be very overwhelming when there is so much content. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer I agree, they aren’t negative. could b beneficial 2 make sure communities are aware of eachother but nothing to fix #woodchat

@wilburpan @uppercutwood The one thing you have to be careful about posting blog links on a forum is that you can’t do it too often…. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @WoodWhisperer I Agree, Marc. Mist are nit bitter, though some are occasionally. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @WoodWhisperer do you notice any biases between users of each medium? #woodchat

@Tumblewood @WoodWhisperer I’ve always like your rules..simple “No religion, politics or dicks!” #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn true, but I think that’s OK. there are newspapers that suck too. doesn’t mean ‘news is dead’ #woodchat

@wilburpan @uppercutwood …just for the sake of announcing a new post. That gets frowned upon. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop back.. time to catch up #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @MBWPodcast I make it a point to bring wood to work as often as possible #woodchat Wooden clipboard, wooden bookmarks, wooden pens…

@Tumblewood To berate someone for any reason in discourse is crude. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @Tumblewood it’s my woobie waiting for me. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @wilburpan #woodchat right, don’t be an obnoxious spammer

@DyamiPlotke @MBWPodcast @uppercutwood yes, and they’re walled gardens. I think the conversation should be as public as possible. #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork Popping in for a bit. #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur #woodchat hello everyone ! Sorry for the poor attendance record . What’s new?

@benjamenjohnson One community we haven’t talked about is blogs Some blogs have almost as much discussion as a forum I also know WW’s who only blog #woodchat

@Tumblewood @MBWPodcast This must be a crappy monitor. I can see it ok once I knew what it was, but no clue before. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @DyamiPlotke with search engines, aren’t all those conversation public already? #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer I think a lot of the negativity online is still the fact people are anon. Does this happen in a seminar? #woodchat

@wilburpan @DyamiPlotke How is a forum a walled garden compared to Twitter? I’m missing something. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @woodwhisperer when do you think this DDoS will be over? And what did you do to piss off the Russian Mob? #woodchat

@mamader Sorry I am late coming in. Evening all #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork #woodchat I’ve had a few negatives while in and working for various forums. Kinda left a bad taste so I generally avoid them.

@newfwoodworker @pickettfurnitur you just missed it, marc gave out free Guild Memebership to all who joined. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @Tumblewood lol dems da rulez! πŸ˜‰ #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns I like the way LJ’s lets you “friend” or buddy people. It helps establish relationships with a select few. #woodchat

@newfwoodworker πŸ™‚ Kidding. πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @wilburpan It’s more a matter of scale. Twitter is a 100x bigger walled garden #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MBWPodcast being anonymous and in your basement gives dickwads false courage #woodchat

@BillGriggs @benjamenjohnson Blogs are a great place to cover big projects. but forums have quicker responses. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @WoodWhisperer I KNOW! I was a moderator for a long time. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @DavidJUlschmid i cringe everytime I open the door and see that thing on the wall #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @newfwoodworker I want in on that offer. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks @uppercutwood universal internet truth. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @Tumblewood I have the same problem with some avators. #woodchat

@newfwoodworker LOL I was kidding. Please void message. lol #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop So, never heard back on tonights topic. gathering it’s about the WW community in some fashion? #woodchat

@Tumblewood @BillGriggs TWW live chat was a big help too, but another thing I’ve had to cut down on. Too much to get done in too short a time #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood when they have mercy on me lol. maybe my slight jersey accent?? #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop So, never heard back on tonights topic. gathering it’s about the WW community in some fashion? #woodchat

@Tumblewood @BillGriggs TWW live chat was a big help too, but another thing I’ve had to cut down on. Too much to get done in too short a time #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood when they have mercy on me lol. maybe my slight jersey accent?? #woodchat

@wilburpan @uppercutwood My wacky idea is that we should drop handles. People act more mature when they’re not posing as AwesomeCarver44. #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks Hey, guys. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @FromTheWoodshop yup, online woodworking communities, with some discussion of the DDoS attack on @woodwhisperer #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @uppercutwood thats why I’m always naked and open in my basement lol #woodchat

@mamader @Tumblewood we do miss you in there Vic! #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @newfwoodworker @pickettfurnitur lol #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur #woodchat what’s everyone’s favorite type of planer/jointer cutterhead? Any recs? Gonna replace mine this year.

@uppercutwood @wilburpan @jaymohr always talks about camaroguy420 in his podcast it’s hilarious #woodchat

@mamader @MBWPodcast TMI!!!!! πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@Tumblewood @wilburpan True. I still have Tumblewood every where. #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks @pickettfurnitur Shelix! #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MBWPodcast and I can’t unsee that tweet #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @wilburpan @uppercutwood agree 100%! #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @mamader be thankful I put clothes back on for the recorded videos. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @pickettfurnitur get a spiral cutterhead with replaceable carbide inserts, there was recently a test in one of the mags #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns Back to topic, are LJ’s, TWW and Sawmill Creek the big three or are there others I’m not aware of? #woodchat

@Tumblewood @mamader I try to pop in from time to time to see everyone.I did have the feed up a lot.Not up until I start working a piece again #woodchat

@mamader @MBWPodcast That is a GOOD thing Matt!! #woodchat

@uppercutwood @pickettfurnitur even the Grizzly cutterheads did well #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks @ramblinrdesigns Canadian Woodworking Forum, The Burl Forum #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast I know there’s a reason we only see you from the waist up. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @uppercutwood that’s why I have granite topped tools and not reflective metal lol #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns Woodnet, WoodCentral. #woodchat

@mamader @Tumblewood Understand #woodchat

@EliCleveland Hello! What’s all the hubbub? #woodchat

@uppercutwood If you post links to your favorite forums here, or favorite sites, I’ll call them out in the transcript #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer not sure what it says but i get significantly more engagement via facebook vs Twitter and G+ #woodchat

@BillGriggs @ramblinrdesigns Router forum, #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @wilburpan I meant bigger in terms of total users and content, not specifically WW users and content. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @EliCleveland finally, now you can restate your topic/question in your own words #woodchat

@EliCleveland Condolences to @woodwhisperer and best of luck sorting things out. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan that and even with the wide angle lens I still take up all the frame #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @WoodWhisperer @wilburpan @uppercutwood So you agree with G+ rule about real names only? #woodchat Is this enough to make it the standard?

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland we’re covering you’re topic bud! #woodchat

@wilburpan @benjamenjohnson Got it. #woodchat

@newfwoodworker It’s all just too overwhelming I agree with @woodwhisperer FB G+ T #woodchat

@marckriegel I have TONS of @WOOD_Magazine and woodworking booksAs i follow alot of plans on the “how-to” part howcan i keepeverything orgnized #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur #woodchat thanks for the tips. Looking for ease of changing knives as it currently takes over 90 mins on current machines.

@FromTheWoodshop @WoodWhisperer everyone does FB; G+ still catching on and twitter is for folks with OCD (like me πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@Tumblewood It may be the betamax vs VHS. Everyone’s comfortable on FB. #woodchat

@BillGriggs @WoodWhisperer Facebook is better for longer interactions #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @EliCleveland thanks man. been a week from hell. #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks @pickettfurnitur Changing the square carbide cutters is slow but easy. #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Too many jokes about “taking up all of the frame”, if you know what I mean AND I know you do. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer oops I forgot my hashmark, I get more traffic from FB than twitter or G+ #woodchat

@EliCleveland woot. I wondered if “the internet woodworking community” was real. People talk like there’s a bond, but I don’t see it. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @DavidJUlschmid @wilburpan @uppercutwood wish it was. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @FlairWoodworks slow? are you changing all of them? #woodchat

@FlairWoodworks @uppercutwood I haven’t needed to yet. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @newfwoodworker @WoodWhisperer when you say facebook, you mean your pages, not a facebook group though, right? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @MBWPodcast @wilburpan #woodchat why does a Monty python sketch keep popping into my head here….

@And now something completely different!

@BobbyHagstrom @DavidJUlschmid @pickettfurnitur I bought carbide blades for my DW735; they last quite long. I can slide them if they get nicks. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks http://t.co/XLvIfyqG is a great forum, and about much more than just festool. #woodchat

@EliCleveland There are a number of communities, but they still seem largely segregated, though by URL instead of geography. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland you don’t see it right here right now? or in the guilds? or on twitter? we even meet in real life sometimes (nerds) #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @pickettfurnitur 90 mins?? Ouch. Dewalt blades aren’t resharpenable and indexed so change out is about 10 mins. #woodchat On Board Tools!

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan noodles man! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns And so many tweets have links. I don’t have a data plan on my phone and it got frustrating. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @benjamenjohnson @newfwoodworker yeah basically my FB TWW page. #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland I think we have seen how strong the woodworking community is on the Internet right now #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @SMeekWoodworks Is the answer to every problem: why aren’t you using Festool though? #woodchat

@newfwoodworker @benjamenjohnson both for me, thought I’m very new, I’m seeing the same on my personal FB and my Fan FB page same on G+ #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks Dang tweetchat shortened the url. Talkfestool is the forum #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland The one thing that bonds us is that we are all going broke being woodworkers #woodchat Can we help each other be successful?

@Tumblewood RT @mamader: @EliCleveland I think we have seen how strong the woodworking community is on the Internet right now<< Big time #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Noodles noodles noodles egg and noodles noodles noodles noodles noodles baked beans noodles noodles noodles #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @uppercutwood @elicleveland your Empire/Rebellion while extreme, shows the issue with factioned communities #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland is it the same as how people have “loyalties” to the specific site like they have them for sports teams? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @Tumblewood @mamader @elicleveland #woodchat I would agree the rally behind @WoodWhisperer is evidence of that.

@marckriegel I once thought woodworking would be easy then in took an arrow to the knee #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks @benjamenjohnson definitely not. Lots of amazing tool makers hang out there. #woodchat

@newfwoodworker @benjamenjohnson @woodwhisperer When I say “ME” I mean, Matthew. I live in his shadow. lol #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland essentially same sport or league, different team? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @DavidJUlschmid I agree. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @DavidJUlschmid Unfortunately communicating with other ww’s makes my GAS worse (Gear Aquisition Syndrome) #woodchat

@Tumblewood Gotta run guys. Good chat! #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn it was a joke, star wars fans are a community, even though they take sides. #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast I used to have a loyalty to one forum before some jerk came along and ruined it for me. #woodchat

@BillGriggs @WoodWhisperer How far ahead do you plan your podcasts? #woodchat

@EliCleveland @uppercutwood It’s part of a larger issue I have with “woodworkers.” #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom @LaMacchiaDesign They have oval slots so you can slide them a bit on the rotor to offset a nick in the blades. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @BobbyHagstrom @pickettfurnitur Did you notice a cut quality difference between HSS and carbide blades? #woodchat

@MKatFWW Sorry to miss #woodchat tonight. I’ve been making 2 of these. Original there for size ref. http://t.co/RJpMzGPy

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Sort of like a team you like signing a player you hate. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @SMeekWoodworks OK, I’ll have to check it out. Just asking cause I’ve met some pretty gung-ho Festool users. #woodchat

@GarageWW @uppercutwood rockler vs woodcraft! #woodchat

@mamader Cya Vic! #woodchat

@BillGriggs @Tumblewood good night Vic. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan I know that feeling…sorry about that #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland is the issue the “ego issue” my tool/shop/project/community is better? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork #woodchat as for the question regarding gathering together IRL I would gladly. But my local WW scene is next to nill.

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland what are you seeing? #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @BillGriggs sometime a week or so. sometimes 5 minutes lol #woodchat

@EliCleveland I wrote a blog once (my only one) talking about one aspect. #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast I did eventually get over the Bulls signing Dennis Rodman. #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur @DavidJUlschmid not a noticeable cut difference, just a life expectancy of the blade. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan love the team, hate the player! #woodchat

@EliCleveland @uppercutwood That’s a huge part of it. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks I really need to go down to the shop and work, but the couch is so cozy… #woodchat

@EliCleveland http://t.co/3maH6oSa #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland Please elaborate, I have found this community to be one of the most down to earth communities out there. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @benjamenjohnson Are you a Tool Monger? #woodchat I buy tools to try new things. I live to learn! Some lessons are expensive #carving

@BillGriggs RT @WoodWhisperer: @BillGriggs sometime a week or so. sometimes 5 minutes lol #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @GarageWW Rockler all the way! :>) #woodchat

@EliCleveland @Tumblewood I thought that comment about The Hand Tool School from a few weeks ago said a lot. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop I agree that the WW community as a whole is a tight group;tighter for some than others. Not bad or good; just groups w/in a group #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @WoodWhisperer I think that speaks 2 level of engagement of those engaging you Twitter & G+ seem 2 B 4 hardcore online Woodworker #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan got over or just accepted lol? #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @uppercutwood: @EliCleveland is the issue the “ego issue” my tool/shop/project/community is better? #woodchat
@MansFineFurn @uppercutwood your example is apt: Communities made up of parts of a whole but communities have problems as a result of factions #woodchat

@wilburpan @uppercutwood Woodworkers who participate online have egos? I hadn’t noticed. :@) #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @DavidJUlschmid I used to write for them until I got sick of them not paying me. #woodchat

@EliCleveland A guy trashed Shannon for calling himself a teacher, so everyone trashed him. No one, except Shannon, showed him respect. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland absolutely, but there is no community that is 100% flying in formation (except drug cults maybe) #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland I saw that comment too, and I really do believe that is the exception, not the norm, and the support backs that up #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland did you get swamped by the know it alls & the you should do it this ways? #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur Wow, I never knew about all these cliques/. I guess ignorance us bliss in this case. Too bad because who doesn’t like to talk shop? #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland @uppercutwood #woodchat What traits does a person exhibit to get placed in quotes? A woodworker or a “woodworker”?

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland heck that happens in my family. there are dicks everywhere. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @MKatFWW looking good Matt. Please check in out the post about you at http://t.co/HkZmqHXZ today. #woodchat

@wilburpan @MBWPodcast Championships go a long way towards making you feel better. And at least it wasn’t Bill Laimbeer. #woodchat

@BillGriggs @benjaminjohnson Woodworkers are very loyal to their brand. Some folks get REAL defensive. #woodchat

@mamader @DavidJUlschmid I am wondering that myself. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @pickettfurnitur I, like Vic, traveled in all cliques in my life. jocks/non jocks/stoners/punks/whatever. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @DavidJUlschmid I’m using quotes when I’m referring to what other say. #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @EliCleveland #woodchat I disagree. It wasn’t that he trashed Shannon it was how he trashed him for wanting to share his knowledge/exp.

@uppercutwood for example, i won’t buy festool. am I out of the online woodworking community now? #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland that’s a good point. The pile on effect is overwhelming and common courteous goes out the window #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @pickettfurnitur right, my point exactly, if such factions exist, what can we do about it #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom @DavidJUlschmid @pickettfurnitur Not much difference at first, but as the non-carbide blades dulled I’d get surface tearout. #woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland Note: that guy was relatively anonymous. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @Tumblewood Did this happen in woodchat or somewhere else? I’m out of the loop. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @BillGriggs That’s what disappoints me about the “community.” #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MBWPodcast like a bar fight. two guys start, others pile on. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks @uppercutwood yup. Festool hater! #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @uppercutwood no, Matt. Even I say stand proud. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @wilburpan there’s always a worst possibility lol #woodchat

@EliCleveland @MansFineFurn I actually think we need to acknowledge the fracturing more openly. #woodchat

@Tumblewood @uppercutwood Yea. I like more than anything is to just be me. No ulterior motives I just want to be happy and learn #woodchat

@uppercutwood @MansFineFurn increase positive connections between communities, and ignore the dicks. don’t give them a voice. #woodchat

@mamader @MBWPodcast Of course, when someone Trolls like that, I think they have it coming #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom I wish forum people wouldn’t jump all over newbies; often I see people almost apologizing for asking a question! #woodchat

@EliCleveland @wilburpan If the community were about woodworking, should notoriety matter? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @EliCleveland agreed, with the objective being mending fences, or tearing them down #woodchat, visit http://aaafencemaster.com/a-laymans-guide-to-shopping-and-installing-a-for-a-high-quality-privacy-fence/ to learn more about fences.

@wilburpan @EliCleveland Or we could just call people on their BS. Then behavior tends to improve. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @uppercutwood theres that sense of loyalty for friends, but at some point enough has been said and the point made #woodchat

@EliCleveland @mamader I didn’t think he was trolling. I think there was something bigger going on and no one respected it. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland what would that get us to acknowledge it? What problem are we solving? #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @Tumblewood @uppercutwood +1 #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur IRL, there is a guy with a tool shop in town who looks down at all of his shoppers. Everyone in our building has commented on this.#woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland What was that bigger thing? #woodchat

@EliCleveland @uppercutwood less noise. Blogs/comments/forums about process can be about process. Ones about tools can be about tools. #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland He out right called him a fraud, which was completely unfounded. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @mamader i agree a troll needs to be called out, but after the 10th time it starts to lose its power & becomes something else #woodchat

@EliCleveland Someone can be making a great point and be bogged down by distractions. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland I feel like we’re peeling an onion getting to some root issue you want to discuss. help me. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @mamader In his mind, he is a fraud. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @BobbyHagstrom #woodchat You can bet that the first few forum answers are going to be a-holes dissing the question. that sucks

@MansFineFurn @EliCleveland bogged down, or just cowed into disengaging from the community; not expressing their views. Silenced by the majority #woodchat

@EliCleveland @uppercutwood I suppose it’s a problem with the internet in general. Giving everyone a voice builds factions. #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur @uppercutwood hah! Same here! The jocks had to invite us stoners/punks to their parties as we were their suppliers. #woodchat

@mamader @MBWPodcast agreed, but I still don’t think that is a negative of the community as a whole. That is more of an effect of the Inet #woodchat

@EliCleveland There’s a loss of the value of information. There’s no work to get it. That’s why the guy was pissed. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland a forum devoted to 1 topic will eventually expand, it seems to always happen. Human nature to change the subject #woodchat

@uppercutwood if forum moderators delete posts from dicks, and block them, instead of allowing wars to go on, that helps. #dickjail #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @MBWPodcast I just don’t know if calling out a troll is productive. I guess it depends on the troll. #woodchat

@uppercutwood @pickettfurnitur I didn’t smoke, but I found Zeppelin #woodchat

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland Then sue him. Otherwise, if you don’t like a restaurant, don’t eat there. con’t…. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop IMO the WW community can be a hard nut to crack. Everyone is polite, but not necessarily chummy.Not the rule, just an observation #woodchat

@EliCleveland We’re spreading information, which I love, but not spreading the culture. #woodchat

@BillGriggs I have a tracksaw and can’t talk about it because the owner of the company made the topic toxic. #woodchat

@EliCleveland Woodworking is being subsumed by internet culture. #woodchat

@BillGriggs No names please. #woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland That is a great point. He still should have had the maturity to make it without calling people frauds. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland @uppercutwood that’s the truth! Everyone wants their moment, good or bad . #woodchat

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland There’s no need to stick your head in the door as you go by and yell..this place sucks. #woodchat

@LaMacchiaDesign Goodnight everyone. My wife needs back up with our daughter. Bedtime’s not going over well tonight. 3 yr olds. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop trolls get off on conflict. Recently saw some psych studies on the topic. would be useless. Best thing is to ban them… #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @EliCleveland I have a friend who thinks this way, that sharing info free on the ‘net is bad. I don’t understand that rationale #woodchat

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland What did that guy’s comment have to do with culture? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland not when you end up meeting in real life. but isn’t all culture being impacted by the internet. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn RT @EliCleveland: Woodworking is being subsumed by internet culture. #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland Completely disagree there. I think the internet is expanding the hobby ww base. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @mamader true #woodchat

@JimAAshley @LaMacchiaDesign have a good one and good luck with bedtime #woodchat

@EliCleveland There’s no respect because the person who can work the internet best looks more qualified than the person who can work wood best. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @mamader Some would say that expansion is killing the culture of woodworking. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland #woodchat That is a great point!

@uppercutwood I think woodworking will survive the internet #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @LaMacchiaDesign Good luck! I’ve been there. #woodchat

@kring_l @mamader agree #woodchat

@uppercutwood good point @EliCleveland #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland didn’t they say that when electricity was invented? #woodchat

@EliCleveland @Tumblewood In that guy’s world, it’s disrespectful and dishonest to anoint oneself a teacher. Not online. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @benjamenjohnson if the troll has a history of bullying (it happens) or is spreading lies, a community needs to say something #woodchat

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland Oh…well, not everyone wants to be active on the internet. I do a little, but not much. Life is busy. #woodchat

@wilburpan +1 RT @uppercutwood: I think woodworking will survive the internet #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @benjamenjohnson if the troll has a history of bullying (it happens) or is spreading lies, a community needs to say something #woodchat

@Tumblewood @EliCleveland Oh…well, not everyone wants to be active on the internet. I do a little, but not much. Life is busy. #woodchat

@wilburpan +1 RT @uppercutwood: I think woodworking will survive the internet #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @EliCleveland some might say the internet is helping to spread the love of the craft and keep it alive. #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland In this time of ikea, I would say it is saving it. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn RT @WoodWhisperer: @EliCleveland some might say the internet is helping to spread the love of the craft and keep it alive. #woodchat

@SMeekWoodworks RT @uppercutwood: I think woodworking will survive the internet #woodchat

@EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer Agreed. I think it is saving the craft, but not the profession. #woodchat

@uppercutwood the internet, like a hammer, is a tool. build furniture or crush skulls. any tool can be misused. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland @mamader Like Olive Garden killed the culture of good Italian restaurants? Walmart killed the culture of mom and pop #woodchat

@Tumblewood Interesting. I see it the opposite. I like access to knowledge. I’d just be hacking away if not for the internet. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @WoodWhisperer Only negative is that there is so much info it can be overwhelming. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @MBWPodcast Yeah, I’d agree on lies or bad info, but if they’re bullying I think ignoring and a ban is more in order. #woodchat

@uppercutwood we’re past the time, but the discussion is still going. carry on… #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson RT @WoodWhisperer: @EliCleveland some might say the internet is helping to spread the love of the craft and keep it alive. #woodchat

@EliCleveland It’s hard to be a pro when there’s no degree, not apprenticeship, no title. #woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland Is it also not disrespectful to tell someone to refund money to their students without good cause? And in ALL CAPS? #woodchat

@uppercutwood I’ve seen shitty woodworking books, did those ruin woodworking? maybe – less apprenticeships? #woodchat

@MansFineFurn does the online ww community have a responsibility to make it welcoming to all POVs? or “if you don’t like it, don’t come in? #woodchat

@Tumblewood OK, OK..I’m STILL hacking away, but I’m getting better! πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @EliCleveland How’s it killing the profession? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland I think some countries have standards for titles (UK?) #woodchat

@EliCleveland @wilburpan No doubt, he did not approach that in the right way. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 The internet is defiantly helping the craft #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts Woodworking? It’s not going anywhere. Good grammar? It may not survive the internet..!!! #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @WoodWhisperer But on the positive side, the inspiration is awesome. It’s a challenge to develop the skillset to keep up. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer #woodchat Important and heart breaking distinction.

@Tumblewood Yea, I should go. I was supposed to be in already. Night all. #woodchat

@JimAAshley @Tumblewood good night Vic! #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts Personally, I think that the internet has really opened up woodworking to a lot of people who may have never considered it before #woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland My take is that if that guy made the same point live and in person, he would get the same reaction…. #woodchat

@BobbyHagstrom I think the internet makes woodworking more accessible and brings its image into the 21st century. #woodchat

@uppercutwood I think I see part of Eli’s point – how do you separate the self-taught and self-titled with the those with real training? #woodchat

@EliCleveland @benjamenjohnson Everyone calls themselves a woodworker or furniture maker. Credentials are on your website. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @Tumblewood G’night! #woodchat

@wilburpan @EliCleveland …so it’s not really an internet thing. It’s a being a jerk thing. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer #woodchat Woodworking crafts end up at the junk store. Professional woodworking ends up in museums.

@EliCleveland People talking math online don’t call themselves mathematicians and don’t get hired for math jobs. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @K2Woodcrafts lol #woodchat

@pickettfurnitur #woodchat I’m about to turn into a pumpkin. Nice chatting! I follow back so I’d we aren’t connected, please do so! Woodworkers Unite! πŸ˜‰

@wilburpan I think the internet is great for information. But for woodworking, you still have to see some things live and in person. #woodchat

@uppercutwood Here’s my personal example. Am I a “pro” because I have an LLC and do paid work? Or should I matriculate first? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @K2Woodcrafts It has clearly led me to learn many new skills just to try and recreate the beauty I have seen shared. #woodchat

@mamader It is the 21st century after all, any profession that isn’t able to keep up with tech & inet is not going to survive. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland @woodwhisperer but awareness goes a long way #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @wilburpan I agree #woodchat

@wilburpan Our woodworking club hasn’t lost members because of the internet. Neither have woodworking schools, as far as I can tell. #woodchat

@uppercutwood I can be a CEO buy visiting VistaPrint #woodchat

@wilburpan So it’s not an either/or with the internet. It’s an additional resource. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @uppercutwood Not everyone even gets the LLC. They just do some work and sell it. #woodchat

@wilburpan And if you leave the real world for the internet, making it an either/or when it really isn’t, you’ll lose out. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @mamader I disagree,there will always be a demand for fine furniture,I’ve been doing it for 30 yrs #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @uppercutwood woodworking isnt all that different than music. Self-taught musicians make some damn good music. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @uppercutwood The proof of the pudding is in the eating. It’s always been caveat emtor, people calling themselves what they’re not #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW Dang #woodchat thrilling convo I just walked in on

@WatkinsWoodWork @EliCleveland #woodchat So just because I haven’t gone to school means I can never be a pro WW? That thinking to me is the root of the prob

@mamader @wilburpan For the groups that embrace the internet, probably quite the opposite. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn not all great furnituremakers are formally trained. The proof is in the pudding (as they say) #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @RenaissanceWW #woodchat is on fire tonight!

@ramblinrdesigns @wilburpan Except for competition from the new online offerings, aka, The Hand Tool School and others. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @mamader That’s very true. But I think the internet community doesn’t understand the pro perspective well, and isn’t sympathetic. #woodchat

@mamader @woodshaver101 Didnt mean that there wouldn’t be a demand, but the fine woodworker needs to keep up with current tech trends too #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @WoodWhisperer: woodworking isnt all that different than music. Self-taught musicians make some damn good music. #woodchat
@MBWPodcast Oops forgot my hash tag again? So it comes down to a title? #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns I see the offerings as more opportunity to learn. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @WatkinsWoodWork Not quite. It’s not schooling per se. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW @WoodWhisperer and professionally trained musicians go into marketing lol #woodchat

@kring_l RT @MansFineFurn: not all great furnituremakers are formally trained. The proof is in the pudding (as they say) …well put #woodchat

@uppercutwood @EliCleveland Then help connect the two communities #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop IMO “pro”is used very loosely. I think it’s something that is earned by peers rather than self given (regardless of education) #woodchat

@BillGriggs @MansFineFurn not everyone is a fine woodworker. hat takes practices and time. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @mamader cnc is nice but there are some things that cant replace good craft skill #woodchat

@mamader @EliCleveland IMHO, its up to the pro, not the community to make a better understanding. #woodchat

@EliCleveland I have to run. Sorry that I can’t hang around. I’ll try to write something about it. #woodchat

@EliCleveland @FromTheWoodshop Right on. #woodchat

@uppercutwood Should there be a series of woodworking projects one must be able to complete to assign a title? #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns It’s only competition if you’re going after the same customers…. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @FromTheWoodshop I’ve always taken pro to mean you get paid, not any description of skill of quality #woodchat

@uppercutwood @RenaissanceWW one of my former engineers had a dance degree. seriously. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn Addendum: not all great furnituremakers are formally trained.. proof is in the pudding … but training can help get there #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @EliCleveland it’s not just woodworking, many fields have the same issues, photography, cooking, etc. #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns Ww’ers who like live classes aren’t HTS customers because they won’t take an online class in the first place…. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @uppercutwood no, I think it’s a matter of earned respect. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @EliCleveland FYI, here’s a guy that got a job at a university b/c of his website. No degree. http://t.co/Kqk03gcL #woodchat

@mamader @woodshaver101 agreed, but even without CNC the pro needs to leverage tech like the inet to help them grow. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @wilburpan Surely this world is big enough to have enough to go around for all. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @FromTheWoodshop I’d say pro is reserved for those who make a living on it. “master” is conferred by peers #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns And ww’ers who join HTS because they can’t travel to a live class aren’t customers for the live schools. #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts Agreed. I know people who have lots of education and are dumb as dirt. And people who never finished school and are “pros” #woodchat

@kring_l im a trained welder the class wasnt bad but running beads for 8 hrs a day taught me how to weld #woodchat

@uppercutwood there are lots of self-taught software engineers that are great. they pass tests everyday at work #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @FromTheWoodshop @uppercutwood like many fields there are required criteria to hang a shingle, but woodworking has none #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @uppercutwood Europe as a title system the guilds.you just cant go in business making cabinets with out there blessings #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @wilburpan There is a place for both. The economics of the online version can’t be denied, for both provider and student. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop whether it’s respect from a client or fellow tradesman. Respect is respect. If there is none, then the title pro is false IMO #woodchat

@mamader @MansFineFurn Well put! #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @MansFineFurn good point #woodchat

@wilburpan Exactly! Therefore, not really competition. RT @ramblinrdesigns: Surely this world is big enough to have enough to go around #woodchat

@uppercutwood why don’t we find out the projects to meet the criteria, and then all work our way through them? #woodchat

@Black_SheepWW younger people coming into the hobby,the internet is best.

@My local club is all older guys and don’t help the young guys#woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop whether it’s respect from a client or fellow tradesman. Respect is respect. If there is none, then the title pro is false IMO #woodchat

@mamader @MansFineFurn Well put! #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @MansFineFurn good point #woodchat

@wilburpan Exactly! Therefore, not really competition. RT @ramblinrdesigns: Surely this world is big enough to have enough to go around #woodchat

@uppercutwood why don’t we find out the projects to meet the criteria, and then all work our way through them? #woodchat

@Black_SheepWW younger people coming into the hobby,the internet is best.

@My local club is all older guys and don’t help the young guys#woodchat

@RenaissanceWW I don’t think this conversation would exist if I called it The Hand Tool Club or Guild. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer pro or hobby really doesn’t matter. It’s about personality. Some are just threatened by the internet and dont understand it. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @MBWPodcast In many fields those required criteria are arbitrary and mean very little. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 i learned working in shops and reading books,now i make a living full time not easy . #woodchat

@wilburpan @RenaissanceWW How about Hand Tool Hut? #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @wilburpan Hand Tool Hangout? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @RenaissanceWW probably #woodchat

@mamader @WoodWhisperer People fear what they don’t understand. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @kring_l #woodchat Liability could hurt untrained “pros”. Some things, when done wrong, are unsafe. Welding is a very good example, it’s something that might need some professional training. Check out welding schools near you if you are interested in some legit training in your area, my brother took a course and hasn’t regretted it

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer there is something about a market being flooded by inexperience & undercutting a pros living #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW @uppercutwood because I want to have fun and not pass a test. Build what you want and how. We don’t all have to be pros #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @WoodWhisperer @wilburpan hand tool hovel #woodchat

@BillGriggs @WoodWhisperer Many things I have learned I taught myself. However there is nothing like a good teacher’s instruction. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @MBWPodcast is that really happening though? I honestly don’t know. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer and when the inexperience leaves a bitter taste in a client’s mouth word gets out & can damage the pro indirectly #woodchat

@realpdm Need to turn my mess of a tiny shop, 5′ wide into a usable workspace http://t.co/pOKihWgk have to roll tools onto carport to work #woodchat

@WatkinsWoodWork @MBWPodcast @woodwhisperer #woodchat but that’s the problem for any service/manufacturing business.

@FromTheWoodshop RT @MBWPodcast: @WoodWhisperer there is something about a market being flooded by inexperience & undercutting a pros living #woodchat

@MansFineFurn RT @BillGriggs: Many things I have learned I taught myself. However there is nothing like a good teachers instruction. #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer #woodchat Photography definitely got flooded with new “pros” once digital came along.

@woodshaver101 @MBWPodcast thats nothing new,do good work and build a name then the money will come in #woodchat

@BillGriggs RT @woodshaver101: @MBWPodcast thats nothing new,do good work and build a name then the money will come in #woodchat

@wilburpan There are 2 defs of “Pro” that are being mixed up. Pro can mean “in business”. Pro can also mean “expert”. And it can be both. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @DavidJUlschmid and if the quality of the work is equivalent, why not. If they can produce the quality over and over, they’re pro #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @benjamenjohnson they are arbitrary, but it’s how the community at large perceives the credentials. People give weight to them #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer why are some assuming furniture consumers are dumb and can’t differentiate between good and bad quality? #woodchat

@wilburpan @WoodWhisperer House of Hand Tools. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns I have paid the big and small bucks for instruction. The quality of the instruction is not always “you get what you pay for”. #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer speaking specifically about consumers of custom furniture, not walmart shoppers. πŸ™‚ #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts Look at web design. There are “pros” that make a living at it. But it’s so easy that anyone can. The difference is the quality #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer aren’t some consumers dumb? http://t.co/fqqswN9m #woodchat

@wilburpan @ramblinrdesigns The same could be said for furniture. #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson @WoodWhisperer you cut me off at the pass! #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @wilburpan @WoodWhisperer This Old House of Tool Shaped Objects #woodchat @RenaissanceWW

@K2Woodcrafts I would argue that consumers are smart and demand quality, especially with the state of the economy #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @MansFineFurn yeah I think the marketplace certainly helps to weed out the bad apples. #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @woodshaver101 reputation does count, but cheap amateurs can make the market think all things will be built that way & lose trust #woodchat

@kring_l @davidjulschmid true and good point i was just saying i learned more about welding from practice. lots of it not the best example #woodchat

@uppercutwood @RenaissanceWW amen. ditto. i want to graduate from the school of doing. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @WoodWhisperer they either know what they want or are looking for a deal some dont care about price,only good work #woodchat

@Black_SheepWW @WoodWhisperer I think people look for the cheapest and overlook quality. #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @WoodWhisperer unfortunately ignorance is a common trait in most consumers of most products/services. We deal w/ it at work often. #woodchat

@BillGriggs @MansFineFurn Great observation. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @WoodWhisperer I think it’s more that there are so many “pro’s” out there that the meaning has been diminished. Lots of cons #woodchat

@DavidJUlschmid @uppercutwood @RenaissanceWW Garden Fork Eric Rochow says Done is better than perfect #woodchat

@DustyDeveloper Nice! RT @MKatFWW: Sorry to miss #woodchat tonight. I’ve been making 2 of these. Original there for size ref. http://t.co/FWeHRGCU

@woodshaver101 @MBWPodcast just the opposite the cream rises to the top.customers can see this #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer Want to see a pro who embraces the internet and doesn’t feel threatened by it? Check out http://t.co/6Qiaty0U #woodchat

@MansFineFurn Let’s not make the mistake of not seeing the other side of the coin: Eli’s perspective is a valid one, and certainly frustrating #woodchat

@BillGriggs @Black_SheepWW Simple. Don’t build for that market. #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts I am also a realist though. I know my work sucks today, but eventually I would like to be good enough to sell what I do. #woodchat

@RenaissanceWW @wilburpan that’s good if you add Crazy Shannon’s in front of it #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer I think the internet is a good way to perpetuate the craft and even the profession #woodchat

@MansFineFurn for formally trained makers, musicians, chefs, etc #woodchat

@uppercutwood RT @WoodWhisperer: Want to see a pro who embraces the internet and doesnt feel threatened by it? Check out http://t.co/Wu9E0xGV #woodchat

@K2Woodcrafts That will come with lots of practice and an infusion of sawdust into my veins. #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer there will always be a small percentage that rise to the challenge of making it their profession #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @BillGriggs well said, dont low ball your self #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns @WoodWhisperer I’ve seen his work. Really special. #woodchat

@wilburpan @WoodWhisperer I would, but I can’t get to the website because of a DDoS attack. (ouch) #woodchat

@uppercutwood Crazy Shannon’s YouTube Woodworking Barn! #woodchat

@benjamenjohnson Speaking of kids not going to sleep, I need to go help with bedtime, Goodnight Great conversation everyone! #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @wilburpan someone is attacking Dan’s site?? #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer I learned by reading lots of print and bugging a couple of local guys but would have used internet #woodchat

@DyamiPlotke @wilburpan twitter has more members, is publicly searchable & covers all topics, allowing unintended woodworkers in too. #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer if I had a computer or internet at that time I was growing #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer Funny thing is this conversation could be had in many industries. Adapt or die folks. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @elicleveland the first link in your blog post on the subject is missing (fyi) #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @FromTheWoodshop @woodwhisperer does someone call themselves a pro simply because they get paid to build? Is that the problem? #woodchat

@wilburpan @MansFineFurn I don’t deny the validity of Eli’s point. This discussion started because someone made that point in a rude way. #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @WoodWhisperer I was just there??? #woodchat

@uppercutwood @WoodWhisperer we should never allow people to buy music online! #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @MBWPodcast that probably is part of the issue eh? cause it says nothing about experience or ability. #woodchat

@wilburpan @WoodWhisperer Referring to you, my friend. Or did the attack dissipate already? #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @EliCleveland @WoodWhisperer I use the internet mostly with the goal of sharing the knowledge to hobbyists & I do get #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @woodshaver101 when the customer is looking. Plenty wont. #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @ToddInMontana me to ,the knowledge is there at our fingertips #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer @wilburpan i thought you were talking about that link I posted to Dan’s site. And attack is still on, lol. Somebody wuvs me! #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @MBWPodcast I think that may be part of the issue. I don’t call myself pro though I have a business. Don’t feel I’ve earned it yet #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @WoodWhisperer @EliCleveland some guys needing a more pro level advice #woodchat

@FromTheWoodshop @MBWPodcast Just because they are getting paid doesn’t mean the payee knows what they are getting into.. IMO that’s the problem #woodchat

@BillGriggs @MansFineFurn I think you have earned it. #woodchat

@wilburpan @WoodWhisperer You certainly fit the definition of “pro who embraces the internet and doesn’t feel threatened by it”. #woodchat

@ramblinrdesigns I hate to leave, but my stomach is growling. Time for a very late supper. Bye all. #woodchat

@wilburpan @MansFineFurn I think that’s the pro=business vs. pro=expert thing again. #woodchat

@MansFineFurn @BillGriggs thanks bill, but I need to prove it to myself before It feels comfortable on me #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @woodshaver101 the internet has turned out to be a good resource for research for me but I am glad I learned basics without it #woodchat

@woodshaver101 @FromTheWoodshop most pro cabinet shops are pocket screw assembly shops,the skill is almost gone #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @WoodWhisperer could be. I still tell friends & family I’m a hobbyist not pro, but they say I’m being modest. We know better lol #woodchat

@uppercutwood things are winding down, transcripts soon #woodchat

@MBWPodcast @FromTheWoodshop couldn’t agree more #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @MBWPodcast There are plenty of “pros” I have seen that do hideous work the term is used incorrectly #woodchat

@ToddInMontana @uppercutwood Geesh! I just got here! #woodchat

@WoodWhisperer Even in industries where only “pros” exist, you can still get crappy service. Doctors for instance. No offense @Wilbur. πŸ™‚ #woodchat

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